Remove MF completely from game
" youve never played d2?... that explains alot actually =/... my gear has improved alot in the last week or so due to massive amounts of trading, but before then my gear value may have been in the 10 exalt range. using bringer of rain (was low 2 exalts), aegies aurora (3 exalts), face breakers (couple gcp for high ones), meginords girdle (couple gcp), stone of lazhwar (personally found), random stat ring (for auras, also personally found), andvarius (1 exalt 5 gcp), aurseize (found, 4 linked self), and res/ms boots (also found).:) simply using andvarius/aurseize gloves over my old gloves improved my drop rate tremendously, i do not play in groups, i only map solo and do lunaris runs solo. this game does not need to be made easier =/, i dont mean gameplay wise... i mean mechanic wise... if you didnt need to sacrifice something to find the best loot than what is the point? (no risk, no reward), everyone would be face rolling the game finding the best loot in a week then quitting because its boring. current gear:
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my only saving grace was i had alot of level 20 gems from my old lvl 83 wander. once the recipe to make 20% came out i sold one for 7 gcps and used those gcps to make them all 20% and sold almost all of them at 1 exalt each. ive been playing since open beta and have plugged a number of hours in, with 0 mf and have found nothing... ive only recently started playing with a little bit of mf and it makes a huge difference. also @dspair - ill play whatever core i choose thanks. ive played hc/onslaughy/anarchy - im satisfied with softcore... what makes you think that because you play hc youre better than anyone else? chances are youre one of those guys who plays hc here because deaths are easy. i dont take anyone who plays hc here seriously, sorry... you just dont deserve to be taken seriously because hc here is a joke lol. Last edited by RushingService#3299 on Aug 12, 2013, 2:55:21 PM
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I like how I go out and play this game, and it is one of the most fun I have played and yet it took me sometime to figure out what MF even stood for. Oh right.
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" D2 had dimishing returns on MF, unlike PoE. Any class could magic find, some faster than other because of teleport (that restriction was later removed by Enigma, but thats another story). D2 was not nearly as influenced by MF gear as PoE is. " You play standard with a soul taker and a 6l and you manage to get a woopin 118% iir and 31% iiq! Have you ever played a low life sporker with shit gear and still have 3-4 times as much iir and iiq as you do and also being WAY more safe than you are. Tell me, how many times did you die to reflect recently? Can you do a /deaths and tell us how awesome your melee 100 IIR 6 linked melee farmer is? " That part is so double standard its funny. Also.. play HC because deaths are easy? Yeah that makes sense. Last edited by Eightkilo#0325 on Aug 12, 2013, 3:45:14 PM
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well in some ways hardcore does have it easy . hardcore doesn't have that many bots , which means you don't need to grind as much to keep up with the economy.
Softcore does and at a point it becomes far more challenging to advance in the game as the wealth you do have is out paced by the inflating economy. ignoring diablo 2 3 and every other game that did magic find, and looking exclusively at poe, there is no real place for magic find. this game's selling point its so called build diversity. There is no diversity in a magic find build in which 90% of your gear is predetermined rares or unique items and your skill build is some combination of minions and totems. That alone should be reason enough for the whole thing to be tossed out a window. Last edited by Saltychipmunk#1430 on Aug 12, 2013, 3:49:51 PM
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" Me not playind D2 only tells that I'm able to look things with a fresh eye ;) And not hail the past. And what makes you think you're better than people who haven't played D2? I smell a bit hypocrisy here. But you have an insane gear, just you know. So for you it is possible to run the MF you run. The part where you mentioned with risk and reward, it should come in maps. It would be so much better if only map mods would have the IIQ/IIR. So there you would have it: Risk and Reward. And in HC/Ons you can't risk survivability as Melee. And as I earlier in this thread stated that "When and Why in the world has complexity of the game, gained priority over enjoyment?" There usually is some correlation between complez and a good game, but at some point it is possible to go overboard with it, thus becoming a really niche game, such as Dwarf Fortress(bad example, but i'll roll with it). I believe GGG doesn't want PoE becoming a niche game, I'm not saying it would. But removing MF from gear would be a great service for the majority of the players, as has this thread demonstrated. Last edited by Omnivor3#3935 on Aug 12, 2013, 3:58:23 PM
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" Almost none of what you typed is relevant to the discussion. We're talking about whether or not it's fun in the first place to deal with an MF stat. Ease of acquisition will always be about the same whether the game rewards MF or killing speed/difficulty. If your sole argument for keeping MF is to prevent the game from being too easy, a far simpler solution is to make the game optionally harder. |
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It seems like just about any class/character could run Aurseize. Sure, you lose life on gloves, but it does have 15% all ele resists. Same with Goldwyrm boots. Any Mana user can run them on any build, as they have crazy mana regen + crazy fire resist. Sadima gloves also work. Any class can use these. You don't "farm" the content you are trying to beat, you "farm" the stuff you can beat. I've personally taken a couple characters in Onslaught over 60 with this stuff, and I've got a couple more in the 50s for when I get bored and feel like taking them to 60 when I get tired of unique hunting on Anarchy.
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" diablo 2 pre enigma was all sorc mfers, it was the only decent class for mfing because of teleport and easy runs to bosses. it wasnt until enigma that hdins became the favored class because of op dmg, survivability, and easy stack of mf. poe doesnt require mass stacks of iir/iiq to find items =/... idk why people even think this... i play solo with my tiny pool of 120 iir and find a couple stashes of rares every lunaris run and thats solo, and my survivability is fine... above max res, max block, only 2.5k life (after auras), and 1.2k es. ive seen videos of sporkers, seems pretty gdam slow to me and alot less safe tbh. props to them for wanting to plant totems and run around avoiding everything for a minute while a pack dies... i prefer to leap into a pack of monsters, watch them explode around me, stop to grab rares/uniques and carry on. i dont die to reflect because if im playing an ele reflect map i switch to a physical based skill, such as dominating blow or heavy strike. dps is still enough to fly through map and no deaths to reflect. ive only recently acquired a soul taker and a 6l... up until maybe a week ago i was using bor/fb build and was still the same survivability and same mf. i'm poor. and on the topic of hc it actually does make sense, if people die they sell the gear they have on another forum and buy new gear at the same place on the hc league once again. you die you lose a little currency and carry on. hc deaths should mean total loss... not items transferred to sc, its the only reason hc has as many players as it does. but yes, lets get rid of mf and just play builds doing 100k++ dps and one shotting everything in the game and find the best items, that sounds like a fun game. @omnivor3 i dont think im a better person having played d2, im just saying this game is closely based off that playstyle. i have ok gear for now, and up until a week ago i was using a budget build with fb/bor... which was equally as effective minus a little less res, was still facetanking 70+++ maps with no problems, tanking temple piety also. "When and Why in the world has complexity of the game, gained priority over enjoyment?" the problem with video games today is people no longer play for enjoyment but for money. no one wants a challenge anymore =/... people now want to come in, faceroll everything as easy as they can, make as much profit as they can from the game then leave... its no longer about entertainment its about making a profit from something that youre supposed to be enjoying to pass the time. blizzard is single handedly destroying arpgs =/. you all might as well flame on, i can see no one else likes mf anymore, maybe im just too old to be playing these types of games now. |
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Because the game has an economy drop rates must be lowered so that everyone doesnt get every drop... Drop rates down.. Item value up..
Magic Find as a mechanic... Drop Rates down.. Item value up... Real world traders... Item value == Money == Every ounce of MF possible to get item and make money.. I browsed a few sites recently to compare prices and see what the commotion was about.. 250+ for a Mirror. 250+ for mirrorable items. 125+ for Kaoms Heart and 6L Shavs. Personally I turned around and put my 270 (almost 400 total so far) to support the devs and not bot, farmer, RMT scammer, and super traders. Only real way to put them out of business.. dont make items so rare that they are worth that much money. No fake world item should be that in demand that people would be willing to pay that much but thats the way it is. Heck players brag about it on Twitch and YouTube videos that that is how they get where they are. Here we are at 102 pages and all we have seen/heard from the devs was one deleted post. They are obviously aware of how much of a hot button issue this is but are either unable to do anything about it or at this point possibly unwilling. Their damned if they do and damned if they dont. I feel sorry for them at this point. They have some what painted themselves into a corner. Anyways.. I doubled down on my support to GGG. Fingers crossed that they can do something that makes everyone happy and fix this problem. IGN: DeathIsMyBestFriend, Illirianah
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" I do understand your sentiment. I too hate it when games, especially AAA games are becoming more and more faceroll. But it doesn't have anything to do with MF. PoE will still stay challenging even with MF removed because of all the mechanics in the game. The game would actually become more challenging if MF would be incorporated to maps! Harder the map, higher the reward! Now it is - Farm Docks with super high IIQ/IIR and profit, without any kind of challenge... The most annoying part of MF is that in HC/Ons many builds aren't viable to play solo because you need the hp/life/res from every single gear piece you can get, thus you can't stack MF. Unless you go completely full defensive nodes, which for me takes a lot of the fun in the game away. |
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