[1.0.1b] Summoner Guide / Minion Guide

Am pretty positive Dessloc is right. Ele pro for sure does not work and if that does not work. That means nothing is being proliferated which means chance to ignite doesn't work.

I end up doing this to my BM's

Increased Burning Damage - Minion Life - Minion Res - Increase AOE - Minion Speed

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Jewnami wrote:

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dessloc wrote:

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mattc3303 wrote:

What two bubbles? can u screen shot that for us?
BM with
-INCR burning
-ELE prof
-Chance to ignite

Am guessing the instant fire damage that kills a mob, ignites->proliferates to other mobs. So you have two burning affects going at the same time?

I'm almost positive that neither chance to ignite nor ele proliferation work with unrighteous fire, or at the very least they should not work. Both require a hit to activate, and UF is a burning degen with no hit. Ignite does 4/3 of the damage of the initial hit, and ele prolif is triggered when a status ailment is caused by a hit with a skill linked to EP.

Would you (or anyone reading this) be willing to test this? I don't have Chance to Ignite or Ele Prof, or else I would.

I tried both. They seemed to have no effect and I did not see any second bubble. I can try a more controlled test but won't be able to do so until after work. Maybe a 1 on 1 matchup of a BM vs Hillock with different gem combos and time the kill speed once the BM turns on RF (with no curses or EE proccing ofc).

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mattc3303 wrote:

Am pretty positive Dessloc is right. Ele pro for sure does not work and if that does not work. That means nothing is being proliferated which means chance to ignite doesn't work.

I end up doing this to my BM's

Increased Burning Damage - Minion Life - Minion Res - Increase AOE - Minion Speed

I use the same 4L as you (no 5L yet :/). It makes sense if unrighteous fire is basically like RF except the BM does not take burning damage from it. RF is also a hard skill to boost with support gems, pretty much take life as high as possible and link AOE and increased burning damage to it. Of course high HP righteous fire builds were totally destroyed by the 11.0 patch nerfs to HP nodes, ele adaptation and so on.

Also noticed that your guide still mentions chance to ignite in the BM section, looks like a legacy reference. Really excellent guide btw, helped me a lot when I started building summoners.

Thanks dessloc, if you're on ANarchy and need a hand I'll be happy to assist.

y its true ele prof doesnt work , chance to ignite doesnt work .

still best chance is to shock the enemy with 40-59 % shock chance :)

*edit*

i maybe swap back again to arc summoner , from discharge power siphon

and use endurance cry for immortal call ... still thinking about it

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it doesnt prof
it doenst ignite


iron will still unconfirmed
remote min still unconfirmed

i ll test 4 link setup with LL for "normal and cruel"
so far
RS
-Incr Burn
-LL
-Minion life / Minion Resi / Incr Area (ill check minion speed if it helps for LL)

and a 5 link setup

hopefully with multi strike and or faster atks for surv.
again im TOO lazy and want them to survive some map bosses.

And I call my creation... The Leaping Summoner!(closest i've ever came to tele necros in d2)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=maatuf42BAI&feature=youtu.be

With a 27% move spd quicksilver + leap slam(enhanced with attack speed) I am able to quickly move around the map, remain mobile, and dodge danger. This is the fastest i have ever cleared.

Am using 2x BM's b/c sometimes one just doesn't activate the UF. I was running with Baalat from the forums and he had the same problem the BM didn't activate for him till mid run.

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HaleBopp wrote:

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it stacks

http://omg.wthax.org/8ktEQW.png

im sure of it tested it alot

it doesnt prof
it doenst ignite


iron will still unconfirmed
remote min still unconfirmed

i ll test 4 link setup with LL for "normal and cruel"
so far
RS
-Incr Burn
-LL
-Minion life / Minion Resi / Incr Area (ill check minion speed if it helps for LL)

and a 5 link setup

hopefully with multi strike and or faster atks for surv.
again im TOO lazy and want them to survive some map bosses.

I'd like to make a list of support gems that WORK with BM (not what is better/worse, just what WORKS). Credit to evilcloud5 for helping me with this.

Inc. AoE - Increases Range of UF
Burning Damage - Increases damage of UF

Minion Damage - Doesn't increase UF Damage
Ele Prolif - Doesn't make UF proliferate
Change to Ignite - Doesn't work
Fire pen - Doesn't increase UF damage
Chance to Flee - Doesn't work
Stun - Doesn't work
Life Leach - Doesn't work
Minion health - increases BM's health, but not UF damage

Conc. AoE - Not sure Possibly, not sure.

Please feel free to modify this list to fix my mistakes, IMO this should be on the front page in your BM section.

Also when you said "it stacks" what were you referring to?

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Jewnami wrote:

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HaleBopp wrote:

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it stacks

http://omg.wthax.org/8ktEQW.png

im sure of it tested it alot

it doesnt prof
it doenst ignite


iron will still unconfirmed
remote min still unconfirmed

i ll test 4 link setup with LL for "normal and cruel"
so far
RS
-Incr Burn
-LL
-Minion life / Minion Resi / Incr Area (ill check minion speed if it helps for LL)

and a 5 link setup

hopefully with multi strike and or faster atks for surv.
again im TOO lazy and want them to survive some map bosses.

I'd like to make a list of support gems that WORK with BM (not what is better/worse, just what WORKS).

Inc. AoE - Increases Range of UF
Burning Damage - Increases damage of UF

Minion Damage - Doesn't increase UF Damage
Ele Prolif - Doesn't make UF proliferate
Change to Ignite - Doesn't work
Fire pen - Doesn't increase UF damage

Chance to flee - Not sure (would be funny if it worked though) Only activates on hit, burning damage doesn't 'hit'.
Stun - Not sure Only on hit, burning doesn't hit.
Conc. AoE - Not sure Possibly, not sure.
Life leach - On hit.
Minion Life - increases health, does it increase damage from UF? UF based on targets health.

Please feel free to modify this list to fix my mistakes, IMO this should be on the front page in your BM section.

Also when you said "it stacks" what were you referring to?

I am 100% sure BM do not stack. They're unrighteous fire is a debuff applied on you (enemy), and 2 or more of the same debuff can not stack on anything (Unless shock).

Also burning damage from the same source (in this case unrighteous fire) do not stack. Only searing bond is capable of doing this.