[1.0.1b] Summoner Guide / Minion Guide

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mattc3303 wrote:

mmmm I like that. Now we don't even need the bones of ullr(a really shitty piece defensive wise)

Your BM does percentage damage

While your arc mage shocks for you

that is so clever IDK why i didn't think of that.

Id do elemental weakness + firepen or do you think that 40% boost from vulnerability tops that?Since it serves the dual purpose of degen and enhancing zombies.

I still like my Mstrike, Faster attack, Melee splash zombies

Damn you balaat good idea. Time to spend like 50 chromes on my chest.

Thanks to HaleBopp who did the testing on arc mages
Tried ele weakness alone but did not see a huge benefit, I guess EE was taking care of the debuff side
Yes I like vulnerability since it helps zombies too, not sure if better than that other combo

If I manage to control my fear maybe could try ele weakness + warlord's, then remove life leech from spectres and add fire pen to the BM as you suggested, and probably a Q added lightning dmg or remote mine on the arc mage

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mattc3303 wrote:

What do you guys think about the frenzy gorilla?

any other support/utility spectres u guys can think of?

I tried the frenzy gorillas, didn't like them very much. Had a hard time keeping them alive even with necromantic aegis + vitality. They also have an annoying habit of using their horrible melee attack instead of frenzying. Definitely prefer the arcmages to them.

I tried out a bunch of others, too. Those dudes from Lunaris 1 who raise zombies + cast enfeeble, no good since their enfeeble overwrites my curses (I had hoped it would stack). Detonate dead guys from Lunaris 1/2, they were alright except they also cast projectile weakness, which overwrites my curses and I don't need it since I don't run TMs. Lightning banner from Lunaris 3, their lightning strike is only single target + they don't cast thorns. Still want to try out more, maybe an undying grappler would be good. If you think of others definitely let us know.

Ok I just got the perfect combination that synergizes very well together

This involved 3 spectres (so ullr needed), Ullr not needed if chaos degen bear proves too weak after nerf.

Spectre
#1 BM
#2 Degen Bear
#3 Frenzy Gorilla (get the ones from old fields) they seem to frenzy a lot

5L chest atm.



Zombie + faster attack + Multistrike + Melee Splash
(I thought faster atk + mstrike was insane but throw in 3 frenzy charges? HOLY MOTHER OF SHIT.
Not to mention Warlords mark gives them endurance charges + great life leaching sustain)

Curse
#1 Vulnerability
#2 Warlords mark (let me explain, when your minions kill the mob they get endurance charges, and gives everything a nice life steal, and you get a ton of charges when they kill things allowing you to spam the absolute crap out of your animation flasks)

Arc(20Q) + Faster cast + Ele pro - spread the shock!

Edit: ima add hatred into the mix and throw out anger/wrath and hopefully I can freeze mobs.

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Baalat wrote:

Thanks to HaleBopp who did the testing on arc mages
Tried ele weakness alone but did not see a huge benefit, I guess EE was taking care of the debuff side
Yes I like vulnerability since it helps zombies too, not sure if better than that other combo

If I manage to control my fear maybe could try ele weakness + warlord's, then remove life leech from spectres and add fire pen to the BM as you suggested, and probably a Q added lightning dmg or remote mine on the arc mage

Unrighteous fire is a degen effect, thus fire pen will not work with it since there is no on hit damage. Also warlord's mark isn't a good choice if you are running BMs + arc mages since you only get physical damage leech from it (I assume you picked it for the leech).

No it gives zombies great sustain as well. + endurance + flasks charges for animation spam.

If fire pen doesn't work will

remote mine or minion damage work?

Or increased burning damage?

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mattc3303 wrote:

what exactly would the ele pro do for the BM's?

Exactly my question, or profeli

One thing i always miss, how does ele pro or arc shock help bm? Am i missing something?

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ethan007 wrote:

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mattc3303 wrote:

what exactly would the ele pro do for the BM's?

Exactly my question, or profeli

One thing i always miss, how does ele pro or arc shock help bm? Am i missing something?

Shock is a general damage increaser

Enemies are dealt 40% More damage per stack so 120% more damage taken.

since shock affects the amount of damage monsters take anything that does damage to them will be increased, hence NM's fire aura.

Elepro serves to spread shock to as many mobs as possible.

I personally don't need to spam animation flasks with NA + vitality. Try using vuln + ele weakness + arc to proc EE, stuff dies in seconds once the BMs turn on UF.

Things that definitely increase unrighteous fire damage:

Vulnerability curse (direct buff to DOTs)
Flammability curse (lowers fire resists)
Elemental Weakness curse (lowers fire resists)
Proccing EE with cold or lightning damage (lowers fire resists)
Increased burning damage support gem

Minion damage doesn't work, regular damage modifiers don't work on DOTs. Haven't had a chance to test remote mine yet. Minion life might work, especially if unrighteous fire is equivalent to RF in terms of damage output. Haven't extensively tested it, I use it anyway just for spectre survivability. And of course increased AOE works with UF.

I don't like vitality =/. Am using the grace-determination combo with IR + endurance charge + armor flask. Am pretty much as tanky as a zombie.

The flask charges and life steal is pretty broken. My minions are pretty much topped off all the time. Not to mention infinite instant hp, granite, and quicksilvers for myself.

I need a alpha howl to see if i can fit the haste aura in my aura pool. Anyone have one for sale =X?

Am thinking haste + multistrike + faster attack + melee splash + frenzy charges x3 would make my zombies into mob grinding machines.

Id trade sustain and minion consistency for a bit more clear speed anyday.

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mattc3303 wrote:

Ok I just got the perfect combination that synergizes very well together

This involved 3 spectres (so ullr needed), Ullr not needed if chaos degen bear proves too weak after nerf.

Spectre
#1 BM
#2 Degen Bear
#3 Frenzy Gorilla (get the ones from old fields) they seem to frenzy a lot

5L chest atm.

Zombie + faster attack + Multistrike + Melee Splash
(I thought faster atk + mstrike was insane but throw in 3 frenzy charges? HOLY MOTHER OF SHIT.
Not to mention Warlords mark gives them endurance charges + great life leaching sustain)

Curse
#1 Vulnerability
#2 Warlords mark (let me explain, when your minions kill the mob they get endurance charges, and gives everything a nice life steal, and you get a ton of charges when they kill things allowing you to spam the absolute crap out of your animation flasks)

Arc(20Q) + Faster cast + Ele pro - spread the shock!

Edit: ima add hatred into the mix and throw out anger/wrath and hopefully I can freeze mobs.

If you summon the frenzy gorrilla with Blood magic he will spam his frenzy skill as long as there are no mobs in his aggro range. He may kill himself if you don't run vitality.