[1.0.1b] Summoner Guide / Minion Guide

ugh sorry forum bugged out for me again.
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Last edited by mattc3303#7526 on Aug 19, 2013, 10:45:28 AM
So the support gems you should focus on getting 20% qual are(in order of importance for each skill):

Zombie:
1. Zombie Gem, +20% move speed and life
2. Melee Splash, +20% AOE radius
3. Faster Attack, +10% attack speed
4. Multi Strike, +10% melee damage

BM:
1. Minion life, +15% additional life
3. Increased AOE, +10 AOE radius
3. Minion res, +6 res

Curse
1. Elemental weakness, -10 additional resist
2. Vulnerability, 10% more physical damage (for zombies)
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Last edited by mattc3303#7526 on Aug 19, 2013, 10:45:58 AM
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dessloc wrote:
TL;DR Executive Summary: Minion Life DOES increase the damage of UF, as does Increased Burning Damage. Minion Damage and Remote Mine do not materially affect the damage of UF.


I had a bit of time and tested out BMs/specter gem combos. All tests were conducted using one Act 3 Normal BM from Lunaris 2 vs Cruel Twilight Strand Hillock. I made sure the BM had turned on unrighteous fire before getting to Hillock. No auras, curses or summoner uniques were used. All gems were level 16. I started my stopwatch as soon as the BM lit up Hillock. Of course, I did not attack Hillock at all with my summoner.

Baseline: Unsupported Raise Spectre Gem

Run 1- BM kills Hillock in 26.97 seconds
Run 2- BM kills Hillock in 26.99 seconds
Run 3- BM kills Hillock in 27.11 seconds

Combo 1: Raise Spectre + Minion Life support gem

Run 1- BM kills Hillock in 20.95 seconds
Run 2- BM kills Hillock in 22.32 seconds
Run 3- BM kills Hillock in 21.25 seconds

FINDING: Minion Life support gem increases the damage done by UF.

Combo 2: Raise Spectre + Minion Life + Increased Burning Damage

Run 1- BM kills Hillock in 14.00 seconds
Run 2- BM kills Hillock in 14.90 seconds
Run 3- BM kills Hillock in 14.63 seconds

FINDING: Increased Burning Damage support increases the damage of UF

Combo 3: Raise Spectre + Minion Damage

Run 1- BM kills Hillock in 25.95 seconds
Run 2- BM kills Hillock in 26.92 seconds
Run 3- BM kills Hillock in 26.78 seconds

FINDING: Increased Minion Damage support does not materially affect UF damage

Combo 4: Raise Spectre + Remote Mine

Run 1- NA (Hillock kills BM in 22.35 seconds)
Run 2- BM kills Hillock in 26.20 seconds
Run 3- BM kills Hillock in 26.55 seconds

FINDING: Remote Mine support does not materially affect UF damage.

Didn't have time to test out a few other scenarios, for example using 2 BMs with different support gem combos (expected finding: degen damage should not stack based on game mechanics). Maybe tomorrow if I have time.


good evening :)
some weekend work and monday keep me busy

TY desloc for this MEGA info and testing time , u got my reward as PM i hope
i ll update the informations in the guide asap i got to test some too.

also im swapping and maybe testing - go away from discharge power siphon
back to arc . even a 0.2 sec shock (arc lvl 1) should incr the dmg very good and i calculated the shock chance u have with decent setup.
will give info to - i cast arc , BMs do the rest

and - im RLY RLY thinking after deslocs informations to swap my zombies OUT of the +2 helm
and give in my spectre ....

and thx for the perfect overview for the quality gems . i ll add a section with some usefull hints in post 2 , with the items

so far

have 2 to 3 nice spectres :)
Witch : HaleJesus LVL 82 Arc Summoner
SpectreGuide: http://www.pathofexile.com/forum/view-thread/292391/page/1
pls forgive my gibberish space orc english - its not my native language
^ no don't do that. You want a 6 slot spectre to stack as much defense on them as possible

Am going to invest in a bringer of rain, you can 7 link your zombie and item swap to a really defensive helm (bye bye +2 helm i don't need you anymore)
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mattc3303 wrote:
Hey Dessloc, thank you as always or taking your time to actually test the waters.

Haha, no worries, I feel like Jane Goodall watching the apes in the wild.

Ran another test.

Combo 5: Raise Spectre + Minion Life+ equipping Chober Chaber and Sidhebreath when raising BM

Recall that Raise Spectre + Minion Life alone took about 21.5 seconds

Run 1- BM kills Hillock in 17.47 seconds
Run 2- BM kills Hillock in 17.88 seconds
Run 3- BM kills Hillock in 17.71 seconds

FINDING: Further confirmation that minion life increases the damage of UF.

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HaleBopp wrote:

TY desloc for this MEGA info and testing time , u got my reward as PM i hope
i ll update the informations in the guide asap i got to test some too.

Got your PM from yesterday about two damage bubbles if you use BM spectres with different support gems, I expect only the higher damage degen will apply but haven't had time to test it yet. So if you are referring to that, I got it :)
That's an excellent report dessloc, I'm impressed you used a sample size >1.



again dessloc thx for your confirmation of the times and the HP confirmation pm incoming
another confirmation , searing touch incr BM dmg.

Reason +2 fire gem , Incr burning dmg is a fire support gem and the main DMG buff for the BM so it should be awsome.

Same as the Domination Blow unique with +1 melee +1 minion gems.
Minion Life will incr BM dmg , so it will incr the dmg

Espacially !!!! NOW IM RLY SEARCHING A +1 TO ALL STAFF!!!!
so a +1 to all staff would be the best choice ,

RSP +1 more hp for the spectre
minion life + 1 more hp = dmg for the BM
incr burning +1 more burning dmg

but maybe the domination blow unique is better .
im busy with getting lvl 80 so asap i hit it , i ll unreveal my spec and update then guide




so far have a nice spectre



terror craft

whipping lunaris 2 , 3

rsp ,
melee splash ,
multi strike ,
life leech

melee splash for the vuln , check if more mobs get hit , combine with BM terror craft






Witch : HaleJesus LVL 82 Arc Summoner
SpectreGuide: http://www.pathofexile.com/forum/view-thread/292391/page/1
pls forgive my gibberish space orc english - its not my native language
Last edited by HaleBopp#0969 on Aug 20, 2013, 1:50:12 AM
You don't have to go as far as getting a +1 skill weapon,

Simply get a Doedres damning and EE

EW 60% + Flammability 50% + EE 50% + Vul 40%

easily 200% boost to your BM's UR. Pretty much instantly killing everything in the game.
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HaleBopp wrote:

Espacially !!!! NOW IM RLY SEARCHING A +1 TO ALL STAFF!!!!
so a +1 to all staff would be the best choice ,

RSP +1 more hp for the spectre
minion life + 1 more hp = dmg for the BM
incr burning +1 more burning dmg

For Minion Life and Increased Burning Damage, I don't think the +1 to gem level is at all worth it compared to the defensive utility of a shield for you or a shield to benefit your minions (necro aegis). You only get a small increased modifier for each successive gem level. Raise Spectre is harder to assess since we don't know how much HP/gem level the spectres increase at each level up. Would need to be tested.

Also, got your PM. I'll do some testing later today after the patch hits since I'll be forced to go out and get new spectres anyway.

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