Save up forever for a crown of eyes. Get shit all over.

Didnt read all the rage here i just wonder how will this affect the ST low life dps? how much % dps decrease will this be?

will it be able to do uber atziri?

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Azhukar wrote:

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Mark_GGG wrote:

Changing Kaoms would be a change to the value of a specific mod on the item. This requires doing an item migration with a custom script, resulting in massive downtime while migrating every item on the realm.

Why aren't numeric item mod rolls stored as percentage of the roll range?

That way you'd be able to just change the original item template and all items would always get their numeric rolls by applying the percentage to the template.

Interesting idea, but if nothing else, that would mean an extra calculation that needs to be done EVERY time the item is viewed or used in any way. Trivial for one item, but when they have to do it hundreds of thousands of times per second, it's probably not worth it. I'm sure there are other reasons as well why this wouldn't really work.

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theeviltroll wrote:

Didnt read all the rage here i just wonder how will this affect the ST low life dps? how much % dps decrease will this be?

will it be able to do uber atziri?

This. If it can do Uber Atziri then it is not even nerf.(loosing 20% from dmg will not be hard hit).
But:
-removing snapshoting
-less dmg on spectral and "supporting links"
-"nerf" on CoE
-nerf on dagger nodes

After this i think no more Uber for spectral.

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plodd wrote:

You just don't get it do you?

Not everybody bought 5 COEs for profit.

Some people payed top dollar with currency that took them ages to accumulate.
These people can potencially see a huge loss in their effective wealth , not due to naturally fluctuating prices but due to ggg's manipulation of the economy.

The people with many COEs bought for speculation in the legacy market will unlikely be effected much as they are wealthy enough to recover from this loss very easily.

Now im not saying this wasn't a needed nerf and im not saying avoiding legacy creation where possible is a bad thing.

I also understand that the poorer players that have been affected badly by this nerf are collateral damage in balancing the game.

The problem is this is not the only time that the majority of the playerbase ie the poorer players gets screwed over.

When these players have had enough of this rollercoaster ride of shifting goalposts and leave...

Have a guess who will be collateral damage then.

So you say the poor people owning Shavs and recently picking up CoE are screwed? Since if the only thing you have is CoE you are not really using PA and are most likely also not using RF. It would not really make sense to buy CoE before Shavs or a good weapon to actually make use of the Multipliers. So yeah people just using CoE are most likely not even affected that much by the nerf, because they mainly focus on the advantage of getting their Spellmods on Wands and ES-Shields to do something useful, which is still true.

And if you already have Shavs... you are not really poor and you could still sell Shavs and use CoE in a normal CI build or just still get the insane benefit from Bloodrage (or well... that might got nerfed too :P). So if you have CoE without Shavs it is likely that the nerfs are not affecting you (unless you try to use it with Solaris Lorica which would require godly ES-pieces in the other slots, which would make you rich again) and if you are using it with Shavs you are far from poor.

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Didnt read all the rage here i just wonder how will this affect the ST low life dps? how much % dps decrease will this be?

will it be able to do uber atziri?

That is fairly easy to say. You will lose 23% if you are just using Pain Attunement and 52% if you are using Pain-Attunement and Righteous Fire.

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podvarak wrote:

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theeviltroll wrote:

Didnt read all the rage here i just wonder how will this affect the ST low life dps? how much % dps decrease will this be?

will it be able to do uber atziri?

This. If it can do Uber Atziri then it is not even nerf.(loosing 20% from dmg will not be hard hit).
But:
-removing snapshoting
-less dmg on spectral and "supporting links"
-"nerf" on CoE
-nerf on dagger nodes

After this i think no more Uber for spectral.

So that one particular build using ALL of those separate things together will be nerfed more significantly. We still don't know if it will be enough to make it unable to do Atziri or if it will just make it "less powerful than it was but still very usable". Either way, CoE itself almost certainly WILL still be good for SOMETHING. Adapt.

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Zoroch wrote:

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plodd wrote:

The problem is this is not the only time that the majority of the playerbase ie the poorer players gets screwed over.

But this is the thing I don't get, why is it particularly the "poor" players who are screwed over here? The reason I'm perplexed about this is because I'm assuming these poor players will actually be using CoE in their builds. If so the only difference that will be notable is that they will have "lost" the price difference that's going to result from this. Is that really enough to warrant this level of response? Or is there something else?

OK I shall try to explain my point.

Imagine you have just played/grinded/saved for 4 months to get enough currency to purchase a COE at a price of 50 exhalts. Regardless of whether you are using this now, or are waiting till your next purchace to make your build in conjunction with the COE, you have just spent 4 months worth of currency on an item.

Lets say your 50 ex item is now a total of 90% of your wealth.
Suddenly the value is halfed.
You have now lost 45% of your total wealth.
To recover from this will take another 2 months.

Now lets compare that scenario to a member of the 2% club with 15 COEs (hoarding them for the futures legacy market).

He has lost a total of 375 ex.
That sounds like a lot, except that 375 ex is a tiny proportion of his wealth.
He has lost currency yes, but he has lost a percentage of his total wealth that wont even slow him down or affect his gameplay in the slightest.
This guy still has multiple windrippers, multiple mjolners, multiple shavs, multiple koams, not to mention vast amounts of ex's, eternals and probably some mirrors too.

Can you see the difference.

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SL4Y3R wrote:

Fun fact: if you own one, you aren't a poor player.

Funner fact: if you own one, and are complaining about the change, you were most likely using it. With this being the case, since the change only effecting the fringe builds, you more than likely also used it with low life. So...you own other expensive gear as well.

TLDR: you're not poor

First off I don't actually own a COE though I do own some other expensive items.

Rich or poor are not definitive but relative. Not sure if this is relevant but what the hell.

Your assumption that to be an owner of a COE means you are also the owner of a shavs or other expensive items is mindbogglingly illogical.

Maybe if people stopped trying to think about things in terms of how much "wealth" they supposedly have and just played the damn game...

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theeviltroll wrote:

Didnt read all the rage here i just wonder how will this affect the ST low life dps? how much % dps decrease will this be?

will it be able to do uber atziri?

Will be 25% DPS decrease, still able to do Uber Atziri.

We just lost Pain Attunement.

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plodd wrote:

Imagine you have just played/grinded/saved for 4 months to get enough currency to purchase a COE at a price of 50 exhalts. Regardless of whether you are using this now, or are waiting till your next purchace to make your build in conjunction with the COE, you have just spent 4 months worth of currency on an item.

Lets say your 50 ex item is now a total of 90% of your wealth.
Suddenly the value is halfed.
You have now lost 45% of your total wealth.
To recover from this will take another 2 months.

Now lets compare that scenario to a member of the 2% club with 15 COEs (hoarding them for the futures legacy market).

He has lost a total of 375 ex.
That sounds like a lot, except that 375 ex is a tiny proportion of his wealth.
He has lost currency yes, but he has lost a percentage of his total wealth that wont even slow him down or affect his gameplay in the slightest.
This guy still has multiple windrippers, multiple mjolners, multiple shavs, multiple koams, not to mention vast amounts of ex's, eternals and probably some mirrors too.

Can you see the difference.

Thank you for the answer.

So you were thinking mainly about people who only have CoE and having spent lots of time to get this item. Time they now feel is at least partly wasted. Hope I got that right.

So next I'm wondering then how much exactly has the price dropped? I'm not very familiar with the price of CoE historically so I can't tell how much of an impact this has had on the current price.

All of this has been answered (and discussed) million times before. Why dont you have Dev Manifesto thread on nerfs and legacies? would be much easier to point whiners there instead wasting time explaining the same over and over again