Save up forever for a crown of eyes. Get shit all over.

I find that there is some sweet, poetic justice for the OP having such a terrible name to make a topic about getting 'shit all over'. It's to be expected. ;)

As far as the actual topic material...saw this coming a mile away, don't care about it, and think the whole thing is being blown way out of proportion as usual. But then again, it's the forums, it's to be expected in this type of medium. When all the dust settles and the tears have been dried up people will probably find the CoE is still going to be a solid item to use, and that this kind of change was a long time coming.

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Tanakeah wrote:

this kind of change was a long time coming.

...I agree, but it still begs the question:

Why would they not let everybody know, when they made that decision? Why would they encourage a situation where only a small percentage of the player-base knows for certain what is coming?

This is a theme with nerfing.

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Veruski wrote:

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mazul wrote:

You assume that they care about whether or not some people get information in advance. What makes you think they care? Why should they care?

because it has many economic implications, and preserving a good/strong economy is a goal that they often emphasize.

not caring is basically an admission that you do care, as there is no downside to letting everybody know.

it's one of those situations where inaction is a form of action.

A consequence of not caring is "no action". That said, there are certain cases where caring leads to choosing to not take action.

While GGG does care about the economy of temporary leagues (challenge leagues), there has been no reasonable indication of that they care about the economy of legacy leagues.

Even the economy in temporary leagues are not their number one priority. Getting people to play the temporary leagues is more important to them than the economies of the temporary leagues.

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mazul wrote:

While GGG does care about the economy of temporary leagues (challenge leagues), there has been no reasonable indication of that they care about the economy of legacy leagues.

You can't care about one without caring about the other.

The economy of the legacy leagues effects the economy of the 4-month leagues.

Cross-league trading from legacy to 4-month is absolutely against the rules and is a bannable offense... However, judging by the amount of activity on third party websites, it's still being done to a tremendous extent and at a ridiculous frequency.

So really, actively allowing certain people to gain huge knowledge advantages with trading is obviously going to have an effect on the temporary leagues as well.

The lack of logical justification with regards to:

1) Choosing to create a legacy item vs not create a legacy item, or vice versa
and
2) The fact that GGG chooses to keep the mainstream in the dark, but enlightens certain select players as to what is coming in advance

basically implies that there is some underhand shit going on.

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Veruski wrote:

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mazul wrote:

While GGG does care about the economy of temporary leagues (challenge leagues), there has been no reasonable indication of that they care about the economy of legacy leagues.

You can't care about one without caring about the other.

The economy of the legacy leagues effects the economy of the 4-month leagues.

Cross-league trading from legacy to 4-month is absolutely against the rules and is a bannable offense... However, judging by the amount of activity on third party websites, it's still being done to a tremendous extent and at a ridiculous frequency.

So really, actively allowing certain people to gain huge knowledge advantages with trading is obviously going to have an effect on the temporary leagues as well.

You can care about one without caring about the other if one assumes/believes/can prove that the the one has almost no effect on the economy of the other.

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Veruski wrote:

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Tanakeah wrote:

this kind of change was a long time coming.

...I agree, but it still begs the question:

Why would they not let everybody know, when they made that decision? Why would they encourage a situation where only a small percentage of the player-base knows for certain what is coming?

This is a theme with nerfing.

They did let people know, and this news pretty much got out instantly the minute it was made known in the newsletter, which is what I think you're referring to? If not, let me know, but assuming you mean that, think about it for a second. This information is sent out and it is pretty much copy and pasted to here, to the PoE subreddit, and that basically means it's out on the Internet for all to see. There is very little time where this information is 'unknown to the masses' so to say, and a few minutes for something like the CoE change is not going to influence the PoE economy in any meaningful way. At least, this is what I think you're trying to hint at, but if I'm wrong tell me otherwise so I can see where you're coming from.

In this age of extreme global communication, if you have extremely sensitive information you're not going to send it out to even certain supporters of this game...assuming this CoE info was sensitive (which it isn't, but just for the sake of the example). The devs simply know from past experience that their newsletters are copy and pasted with extreme speed to public domains, including their own site, so why would they bother if they know this will happen with 100% success? The scant few minutes that supporters like myself and others get to read these newsletters and the sheer number of us that read them (comparatively) means that someone is always going to 'spill the beans', and the time needed for that to happen is so short it doesn't matter.

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Tanakeah wrote:

which is what I think you're referring to?

...Uh, no. That was the same as a public announcement, but I am quite positive that people knew well before that announcement.

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Veruski wrote:

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Tanakeah wrote:

which is what I think you're referring to?

...Uh, no. That was the same as a public announcement, but I am quite positive that people knew well before that announcement.

Ah, well in that case I'm sure the devs and others at GGG would know about that. :p But if you're referring to potential alpha members or people that nature...couldn't tell ya yes or no in that case from my perspective. :\

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Veruski wrote:

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Tanakeah wrote:

which is what I think you're referring to?

...Uh, no. That was the same as a public announcement, but I am quite positive that people knew well before that announcement.

If you're referring to alpha, we don't know anything about legacy changes. It's not pertinent to testing.

Who gives a shit about legacy items? stop making a fuzz over it.

Standard/Hardcore are garbage dumpster leagues and testing grounds

P.S.: the item isn't altered, so it can't get a legacy version.