Build of the Week Season 2 Episode 10: Snapshotting

"We will be removing snapshotting from the game at the start of the next challenge leagues"


ty... snapshotting seems more like an ooold bug... i dont know WHY the hell people are whining, because YOU HAVE TO WEAR the gear you are using, instead expanding it... i really really can not understand WHY ggg did not fixed it since the first build who was offical posted...

if you maybe ask every other arpg designer, they will say that dis is just a massive bug.

but finally fixed it. :) btw any more interesting nfos about act4?

"

mohogoso wrote:

first page

i can not see what answer will dis be to anything what chris writes in his announce?

so another guy who spams ... and btw:

better do not write anything instead counting wrong! please ggg change policy and took those spammers out of the community!

you are not on the first page as well.

for dis i have updated another nice button:



if you wanna use it:

www.reeto.de/banner.png

"

Pibadi wrote:

"

Morsexier wrote:

@Chris,

Does this mean there will be a scaling back of the arms race that has resulted between content and players?

Some content was clearly designed with these abuses in mind.

I'm started using similar mechanic 8 month ago, too bad they will be nerf it in future. RIP summoners. But i remeber the time with cast on dead ;) That was a good time.

oh i think to fix an old bug seems is really no nerfing to any content.

i wonder why they do not fixed it any sooner? also i dont think that summoner rip now :)

"

rakis wrote:

my summoner will be rest in peace :(

interesting i had a build with nearly exact same gear... and it is working so great. i stopped playing it while i am back to the roots with a tanky marauder build.. but at all have no fear build worx without snapppshotting

"

StormHunter wrote:

"

if you nerf snapshot for ALOT pple who plays effective - dont forgot NERF SPELL BLOCK ABUSE and start mara nodes - for BALANCE

it bad way if you dont give some buff minions after nerf, its really kill summoners, you always nerf somethine good for summoners, but not for stupid mara builds, because its your favorite melee char - push one button for win, how many need do summoner for win ? not one...

and yes say alot streamers big "ty" because they kill summoners when use bugs

why you always nerf somethine good for summoners ? nerf other classes too, example all my frends play mara, how most pple in invasion - its imbalance - correct that in tree, you want balance ? balance mara nodes and delete from him best effective start nodes

if we compare clear speed in middle gear for melee class and summoner we see very stupid situation in time kill, all knows that

give summoner somethine what help play without snapshot and we be glad

[Removed by Support]

the worst class/build in the game is melee marauder it already got nerfed with the new marauder start anyone who plays melee marauder plays it because of the look and not of the effectiveness, stop saying marauders are op or melee is op, block is the only way to survive in this game not melee marauder

14k dps, 7k life 79Resistance, 0 Block, and you call that op and cry for nerfs, [Removed by Support]

i enjoy playing marauder... a solid build... here: 18k dps, 27k ammo, 170% res real tanky dude, like him very much :)

that video was funny, really enjoyed it.

Ive defended snapshotting before, I used to like the malichis mask routine back in the day before the first snapshot fix with recast on zone. While a part of me still likes the fact theres mechanics and thought there, a depth to the thing that makes the game more interesting, I agree its got to go and Ill be glad to see the back of it. Its not fun to do, it does waste time, it does bring up issues where you have to balance around it or allow it to be stupidly op.

"

Pibadi wrote:

I hope you don't forget to nerf Atziri gloves (BUT DON'T MAKE THEM LEAGACY!!!) + immortal crit dagger build, right Chris? I only hope... If you would to nerf this nice mechanic like snapshot, don't forget about crit dagger, or we should talk about double standarts. GL.

immortal crit daggers? Like the one HvR ripped with in the lab? The one he then remade, was forced to use against the second atziri triple boss fight where himself and Beerflasks were slaughtered and forced to log out near death, abandoning an entire mortal hope set without killing atziri? The immortal dagger build that Pulp rpped with... twice was it? The one being used to take down uber atziri in softcore leagues, at the expense of dying at least once on 95% of the runs? that 'immortal' crit dagger build? Shavs and immortal are rarely 2 concepts that work together.


Theres nothing wrong with crit daggers in general just like theres nothing wrong with auras in general imo, talking about a 6 link 5 offcolour shavrones wraps build using a crown of eyes, aura snapshotting, passive tree snapshotting, low life mechanics built in to pain at/bloodrage/lioneyes paws and near mirror worthy rare items in multiple slots then yeah that particular thing is op. Crit daggers, crit wands and crit claws have been doing high damage forever, the extreme passive investment and the 1 in a billion rare eternal exalt crafted weapons required to achieve op levels of these things make them balanced. If they have the potential to do too much damage right now thats down to crown of eyes, low life mechanics and snapshotting imo, its not a separate issue to do with daggers/wands/general high crit weapons.


I dont think its an issue with auras either, and I hope if those builds are fixed they are fixed at the point of the items and mechanics that separate them from normal, balanced builds using auras or crit weapons. I feel like the use of auras in those builds is key to how op they are, but theres a lot of people investing in the 1 aura cluster that is available to them, running 2 auras and fueling skills off 90 - 150 mana that will be completely fucked if they start nerfing aura reserve nodes to try and hamper these extreme aura builds. Theres a lot of people using a third 40% aura at the expense of having to bloodmagic all their skills and invest even more passive points, again those are usually balanced, respectable builds.

I think a very tiny minority of people will QQ about the snapshot changes, most people who use snapshotting will be very happy about it. I know the majority of streamers doing the low life spec throw thing openly say they expected snapshotting to be nerfed and will be glad when it happens.

all the Snap shot QQ. Now they have to learn to theorycraft. Boohoohoohoo.

Still no explanation on to why did GGG lie in official video about trap+mine thing.

Point 1

Snapshot is not intended (so not coded specifically, important)

Point 2

Snapshot checks fore links ONCE


Then why is that in the video GGG contradicts itself by saying that spectres can be snapshotted with checking for links twice and somehow the game amalgamates teh checks into 1. I tell you why, because it is a lie. Unless it is specifically coded this way, which they say it is not.

What I'd really like is an explanation on how the snapshotting fix will work, since they made this video now it sounds like they have a workable fix ready and are just polishing up details on it. Perhaps a video in a couple of weeks showcasing the upcoming post-snapshot builds?

Will it mean that auras will need be recast in every area to prevent snapshot?
Will any gear-change auto update existing effect?
What will happen if you add something that gives bloodmagic (like the covenant) if you already have active auras on mana?
Will support gems now work instantly on pre-existing minions? so you can change added fire for multistrike and minions will automatically use the new support without recasting?

I can appreciate that not all details are released yet, but at least some sort of "this is how it's going to roughly be after patch" would be useful to help us prepare mentally and buildwise for the change.

PS. As an addendum, I will mention that the one thing I dislike the most about PoE (and I generally like most everything about it) is that patches change the meta so much that only the players that are in the top 1% manage to exploit all the best mechanics for the few months until the nerf and new exploits are revealed, repeating the process over and over.

Nice.

Quite looking forward to not fucking about on zone change.
Losing 1 or 2 auras that I run because I can, in exchange for fluidity of play.

Of course I could get that fluidity now, by simply not snapping, but it seems I'm willing to forfeit that fluidity for a bit more OP, given the choice.

Having that choice taken away, is not something I'm opposed to, quite the contrary.

"

cryptc wrote:

What I'd really like is an explanation on how the snapshotting fix will work, since they made this video now it sounds like they have a workable fix ready and are just polishing up details on it. Perhaps a video in a couple of weeks showcasing the upcoming post-snapshot builds?

I second this, more specifics for EXACTLY how summoners will work after the nerfix(<---that word amuses me) please. If I have to leave my supports in place after summoning I may as well sell all my summoner gear now.

"

Derpey wrote:

So about that Summoners being unplayable without snapshotting, it's not entirely true, but they are so overnerfed that they badly need it to high-end maps, else the Summons die in a split-second to anything.

Also the early game of ANY Summons, are you kidding me, can you please start buffing them? They are pretty much "keep these gems on weapon-swap whilst leveling, because you won't level with this shit lol, go grab your generic Spectral Throw, Flameblast and/or Searing Bond ;)", I really hate the current phase of this game.

"

Splift wrote:

Not true. Summoners are still hella strong without snapshot. On the last ladder I facerolled my way right to 78 maps with terrible gear and no snapshotting even killing bosses that most other builds would run in fear from fully geared.

Yeah you have no idea what you talk about here man.. Getting to Lv 78 is like a cakewalk, it's 80+ where you start getting to the "high-end" maps, where your Summons dies to pretty much anything that involved double added damage or just crit, etc.

I bet these bosses you talk about is the typical shit "casual" (sorry if I hurt any feelings) players are scared of, like Kole map, which is a cakewalk aswell.

Summoners aren't fine, they have been complained about for ages, and for a good reason, they are way too weak early, they have a really strong midgame, but high-end map they are pretty much forced to re-summon 24/7 and with the current phase of reserving all of your Mana into Auras, good luck re-summoning 24/7.

ATM, PoE have a stupid playstyle they should look into.

I'd love to see the look on this guy's face when he re-reads what he quoted and realizes he made himself look like a huge idiot

Fix Soultaker when you are at it...
This is clearly an out of this world unique that has NO drawback whatsoever and give much more advantage than you could think of.
Mana regen ? Who cares ? Mana nodes ? Who cares ?
CI low life and blood life support ? No problem...
End result ? Several aura without any efforts at all, no need for mana nodes or regen node, no regen...
Just invest in ES and some armor and you are gtg

This item is broken