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I don't really get the point of this discussion. If something is not intended by the developer how can you guys honestly claim it to be a valid game mechanic? Especially something so tedious and annoying like gear swapping. Not only is it annoying as hell and time consuming to swap but also very restrictive for the players. Also imo nothing can be considered more an obvious exploit than that. " Kyu wrote: " jsn006 wrote: Do you know the alpha howl thing simply wasnt intended or noy? you really think they wanted us to fetch an item with same socket color combo and then swap it out after casting the auras? lmao! Why you want to defend this any further? Yeah. They very well could have. Especially when the ability to keep auras active when putting them in the same slot as on the previous item is already there. Relevant: http://diablo.wikia.com/wiki/Call_to_Arms_Rune_Word Snapshotting in D2, was never fixed. Was considered a game mechanic and reward for having the unique. Does the same thing Malachai does. Gives you bonuses for an item you're not even wearing. this is not d2 btw. there are also good reasons why this is not intended. just consider the usefulness of the mana reservation nodes on the skill tree. they become useless as long as this exploit is in the game. i found a alpha's howl yesterday and really could not be any more annoyed about a valuable item drop. this item actually forced the players to play in a very restrictive way. the exploit even works with every build. everybody was after this helmet just to abuse the swapping bug. how can anyone think of this being a productive way to make the game more fun? -JackieChance Last edited by Romzen#0879 on Aug 13, 2013, 6:11:14 AM	Posted by Romzen#0879 on Aug 13, 2013, 6:04:33 AM Quote this Post
" Kyu wrote: " jsn006 wrote: Do you know the alpha howl thing simply wasnt intended or noy? you really think they wanted us to fetch an item with same socket color combo and then swap it out after casting the auras? lmao! Why you want to defend this any further? Yeah. They very well could have. Especially when the ability to keep auras active when putting them in the same slot as on the previous item is already there. Relevant: http://diablo.wikia.com/wiki/Call_to_Arms_Rune_Word Snapshotting in D2, was never fixed. Was considered a game mechanic and reward for having the unique. Does the same thing Malachai does. Gives you bonuses for an item you're not even wearing. SHUT UP about other games, and stick to POE (you oneshot your argument tho, very well done, because everyone knows how FULL of EXPLOITS d2 was, lmao well done CLAP) " juzz wrote: " Pibadi wrote: That was i'm talking about. This "change" just destroyed some interesting builds which were based on game mechanic. This is not a "abuse exploit" because this is NOT EXPLOIT - this is game mechanic. Can't believe they want to destroy some part of the game. LOL. Anyone who seriously thinks it wasn't broken must have IQ under 80. But I'm assuming most are just mad because they can't abuse it anymore :P I mean like seriously WTB game mechanic that lets me swap Kaoms out to 6L chest while keeping +HP from Kaom's. Why the hell you should keep bonuses from equpment you aren't wearing? How fucking hard it is to understand it was not working as intented? :D Go cry me a river because you are obviously very very MAAAAAD because this fix. THIS +100000000000000	Posted by jsn006#2582 on Aug 13, 2013, 6:06:14 AM Banned Quote this Post
" jsn006 wrote: SHUT UP about other games, and stick to POE Why? What makes it so different? It's the same thing. Game A (D2): Has an item that can be used to snapshot. Game B (PoE): Has an item that can be used to snapshot. Both Game A and Game B's snapshotting do essentially the same thing. Using something while not equipped. Player in Game B, in this case you, claims it's an exploit and never intended. However, Game A was fully aware of it and accepted it as a mechanic. What makes it a definite exploit in Game B, but it isn't in Game A? If it was always an exploit it would always be an exploit. Which it wasn't. So, as long as the developers never accepted it as an exploit there is no reason why it would be an obvious exploit. The developers now say it is an exploit, which is fine, it's an exploit, okay. That's cool. I get it. But that doesn't give anyone the right to start insulting people as exploiters before any statement was ever made by developers on their stance on it. Because it being an exploit is not obvious when it wasn't one in other games either. The reason people are annoyed is because GGG never said anything about it. They never really made a stance on it. So people started making builds around it. Why? Because they did so in other games too. Everyone used Call to Arms in D2. It was fine there, they didn't expect it to suddenly be considered an exploit here. Now people have their entire builds crushed.	Posted by Kyu#2503 on Aug 13, 2013, 6:15:56 AM Quote this Post
" Romzen wrote: I don't really get the point of this discussion. If something is not intended by the developer how can you guys honestly claim it to be a valid game mechanic? Especially something so tedious and annoying like gear swapping. Not only is it annoying as hell and time consuming to swap but also very restrictive for the players. Also imo nothing can be considered more an obvious exploit than that. People will try to rationalize anything, and I do mean ANYTHING if it benefits them. Same thing happened in D3 with a few skills that were changed if I remember correctly. Although here it's a blatant exploit whereas in D3 the skill synergy was just way too good. But in short, as another poster said, they're just mad because they can't use the exploit anymore, so that's the gist of it. It's not about realizing it's an exploit at all. And even if the devs condone something, it doesn't mean that it's "an intended mechanic and therefore, not an exploit". I often question whether people are actually that dense, or if they're being dishonest and playing dumb on purpose.	Posted by Vegnarus#2398 on Aug 13, 2013, 6:19:14 AM Quote this Post
" Kyu wrote: The reason people are annoyed is because GGG never said anything about it. They never really made a stance on it. https://www.pathofexile.com/forum/view-thread/416945/page/9#p3688587 https://www.pathofexile.com/forum/view-thread/196886#p1710851 http://www.pathofexile.com/forum/view-thread/486657#p4298981 Last edited by livingdeadbeat#0834 on Aug 13, 2013, 6:25:19 AM	Posted by livingdeadbeat#0834 on Aug 13, 2013, 6:21:23 AM Quote this Post
http://www.pathofexile.com/forum/view-thread/486657 https://www.pathofexile.com/forum/view-thread/416945/page/9#p3688587 I remember there being more, but it's pretty hard to find that stuff. “Demons run when a good man goes to war"	Posted by Sneakypaw#3052 on Aug 13, 2013, 6:22:35 AM Quote this Post
thx for fixing auras exploit. tired of seeing all these noobs gearswaping and shit (even famous streamers .... ) Last edited by As03#5255 on Aug 13, 2013, 6:24:01 AM	Posted by As03#5255 on Aug 13, 2013, 6:22:42 AM Quote this Post
" livingdeadbeat wrote: " Kyu wrote: The reason people are annoyed is because GGG never said anything about it. They never really made a stance on it. https://www.pathofexile.com/forum/view-thread/416945/page/9#p3688587 I'm aware. But how many people using it do you think would look through every single one of Chris's posts just to find this? Probably not many. An actual visible post would be a lot more beneficial.	Posted by Kyu#2503 on Aug 13, 2013, 6:23:30 AM Quote this Post
" Kyu wrote: " jsn006 wrote: SHUT UP about other games, and stick to POE Why? What makes it so different? It's the same thing. Game A (D2): Has an item that can be used to snapshot. Game B (PoE): Has an item that can be used to snapshot. Both Game A and Game B's snapshotting do essentially the same thing. Using something while not equipped. Player in Game B, in this case you, claims it's an exploit and never intended. However, Game A was fully aware of it and accepted it as a mechanic. What makes it a definite exploit in Game B, but it isn't in Game A? If it was always an exploit it would always be an exploit. Which it wasn't. So, as long as the developers never accepted it as an exploit there is no reason why it would be an obvious exploit. The developers now say it is an exploit, which is fine, it's an exploit, okay. That's cool. I get it. But that doesn't give anyone the right to start insulting people as exploiters before any statement was ever made by developers on their stance on it. Because it being an exploit is not obvious when it wasn't one in other games either. The reason people are annoyed is because GGG never said anything about it. They never really made a stance on it. So people started making builds around it. Why? Because they did so in other games too. Everyone used Call to Arms in D2. It was fine there, they didn't expect it to suddenly be considered an exploit here. Now people have their entire builds crushed. [Mod Edit: Removed] Last edited by Totemizer#0490 on Aug 13, 2013, 6:25:40 AM	Posted by jsn006#2582 on Aug 13, 2013, 6:24:26 AM Banned Quote this Post
" jsn006 wrote: [Mod Edit: Removed] Ah, so we're down to the level of insults. All right. I'm not going to bother. You have yet to reply with an actual argument. Last edited by Totemizer#0490 on Aug 13, 2013, 6:26:05 AM	Posted by Kyu#2503 on Aug 13, 2013, 6:25:19 AM Quote this Post