{3.2.0} Spectral Gods: [Life Based Spectre/Golem Hybrid Summoner | Clear Speed | End Game Bossing]

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trementoz wrote:

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khawk3lite wrote:

WHOEVER wanted TEMPLE SCHOLARS i found t15 ones in OVERGROWN RUINS...

http://imgur.com/a/mh7dI

also upon researching incinerate it seems like the best gems for temple scholars would be rs minion damage controlled destruction ele focus faster projectiles GMP... swap gmp for pierce for bosses

the reason you wouldnt do spell echo is it doesnt effect incinerate

EDIT:!!!!!!! AFTER testing the temple scholars are squishy af died in t15 boss fight

They aren't squishy at all they can leech life back and they are pretty tanky, and spell echo affects incinerate and incinerate pierces it self. You should use Necromantic Aegis + The Unshattered + The Scourge

PIERCE IS FOR MORE DAMAGE and no ITS NOT EFFECTED BY SPELL ECHO GOOGLE INCINERATe PLZ ALSO I TESTED THEM on OVER GROWN SHRINE BOSS THey DIED BASICALLY INSTANTLy so?

and if spell echo effects a channle skill then that would mean they would need to constantly cast instead of channleing whicdh would ramp thier damage more than spell echo... jesus man think before you speak

Spell echo actually does have weird interactions with minions/spectre. I wouldn't be surprised if echo allowed those temple scholars to skip stages. A good example are the incinerators, normally fire trap cannot be supported with spell echo but they don't cast fire trap but some kind of monster version fire bomb.

Remember monster skill != player skills for the most part.

I'm going to give these a shot in T16 content but I am not sure if they can surpass cannibals simply because of their restricted damage percentages. I also have a feeling victario's is still better in this scenario because of the 12% more damage vs the other shields 60-70% increased damage.

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Also Chill guys. This thread already got flagged by GGG in the past because two people were arguing lmao.

Leveled some more, got 5151 hp and 443 ES lvl 84. At 91 I can have 3 more jewel slots = +21% hp.

Definitely late bloomer I'd say, had some frustrations with low life leveling up and during low 70s. Clearspeed is outrageous while boss still dies decently fast.

I think I prefer goat men firecallers over solar guards, but goat man AI seems worse sometimes they just stand around doing nothing. They also dont start casting as fast as solar guards after getting TP dragged it seems.

2 questions:
What about the gem socket colors? The clear setup has 2 green 4 blues but single target has 5 blues? Goes for solars and fire eaters. Surely don't have to recolor chest every X you do a boss?
Current 5L = RS + GMP + faster proj + minion dmg + echo and 6th would be ELE focus. Suspect to replace GMP for boss, but for what green gem? Faster proj can be swapped for slower proj.


Second question, if I raise a solar in lunaris temple and then go get t10's or whatever solar guards. How do I know the first one I raised will be a stronger one too? Like you want 4 strong ones but the first one you raised was in a lower zone how do you know that one gets replaced by higher tier one.

I don't find brightbeak is required if you can cap resists, with scourge and flesh offering up due to mistress you're fast enough with shield slam IMO. The 70% more dmg is very welcome.

I dont get your guardian videos as i have more minion life/damage on my tree then yours and my whole build is done other then life for myself (lvl 79 i think so lvl dont matter since its only nodes for myself) and my minions (with a 6l and lvl 17-18 gems i think) take longer to kill t8 bosses then yours do on guardians?

Im using double curse to

Also my zombies and specs seem to die if the fight takes to long (but zombies die faster)

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Inheritedzero wrote:

Leveled some more, got 5151 hp and 443 ES lvl 84. At 91 I can have 3 more jewel slots = +21% hp.

Definitely late bloomer I'd say, had some frustrations with low life leveling up and during low 70s. Clearspeed is outrageous while boss still dies decently fast.

I think I prefer goat men firecallers over solar guards, but goat man AI seems worse sometimes they just stand around doing nothing. They also dont start casting as fast as solar guards after getting TP dragged it seems.

2 questions:
What about the gem socket colors? The clear setup has 2 green 4 blues but single target has 5 blues? Goes for solars and fire eaters. Surely don't have to recolor chest every X you do a boss?
Current 5L = RS + GMP + faster proj + minion dmg + echo and 6th would be ELE focus. Suspect to replace GMP for boss, but for what green gem? Faster proj can be swapped for slower proj.


Second question, if I raise a solar in lunaris temple and then go get t10's or whatever solar guards. How do I know the first one I raised will be a stronger one too? Like you want 4 strong ones but the first one you raised was in a lower zone how do you know that one gets replaced by higher tier one.

I don't find brightbeak is required if you can cap resists, with scourge and flesh offering up due to mistress you're fast enough with shield slam IMO. The 70% more dmg is very welcome.

You can achieve much higher hp values if you decide to use a 140hp belt and make a few more gear adjustments to focus on flat hp and str. 7k hp is very possible at level 90. Check the PoB. You are at a similiar hp level to my clearing setup. For me 5.1k-5.5k hp is more than enough after you factor in instant hp potions.

Maybe I needed to word it better but Clear speed setup involves anything T15 or lower.
RS + MinDmg + Echo + GMP + Faster Proj + 1 Blue flexible link

More often then not GMP replaced with pierce is more than enough dmg to completely annihilate anything T15 or lower.Replace faster proj with slower proj for even more dmg.

The ideal 6L for bossing has 5B and 1G. If you find this annoying to recolor all the time buy a second 6L vis mortis. I don't mind the recolor as switching between 1G or 2G does not cost much chromes. and is only needed when I plan to farm guardians/shaper.

You know you replaced the solar guard properly by either using basic arithmetic and counting =P. Or unsocketing the raise spectre gem so you reset yourself to 0 but the map has already triggered the desecrate trick so you summon 4 from there.

No, bright beak is not required for the resist but required for clear speed. I honestly feel like scourge is too slow for me. I only pull my culling scourge out in Guardians and above. Bright beak can shave off 20-30s off of a map run. That really adds up over time.

Think of it this way. 70% increased minion damage would shave off maybe like 1-2s off of a boss kill but moving faster in the map overall with bright beak saves 20-30s off your map runs!

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Lynerus wrote:

I dont get your guardian videos as i have more minion life/damage on my tree then yours and my whole build is done other then life for myself (lvl 79 i think so lvl dont matter since its only nodes for myself) and my minions (with a 6l and lvl 17-18 gems i think) take longer to kill t8 bosses then yours do on guardians?

Im using double curse to

Also my zombies and specs seem to die if the fight takes to long (but zombies die faster)

1. Getting 20/20 or 21/20 gems is a lot more damage, tankiness boost than you think
2. Scaling minion damage is good once you scale past the top end ceiling, but you should focus on scaling cast speed first
3. Make sure your using spectre that is summoned at a high level. The spectre you see in those videos are Cannibal fire-eaters raised as T16 monsters or level 82 mobs. They are dealing about 700k dps each. Or 2.8million dps total.
4. Are you swapping to the right support gems? More multi's instead of GMP/faster proj?

I suspect it is because you are still using low level spectre. I have an FAQ section dedicated to solving issues like this as well as a video.

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mattc3303 wrote:

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Inheritedzero wrote:

Leveled some more, got 5151 hp and 443 ES lvl 84. At 91 I can have 3 more jewel slots = +21% hp.

Definitely late bloomer I'd say, had some frustrations with low life leveling up and during low 70s. Clearspeed is outrageous while boss still dies decently fast.

I think I prefer goat men firecallers over solar guards, but goat man AI seems worse sometimes they just stand around doing nothing. They also dont start casting as fast as solar guards after getting TP dragged it seems.

2 questions:
What about the gem socket colors? The clear setup has 2 green 4 blues but single target has 5 blues? Goes for solars and fire eaters. Surely don't have to recolor chest every X you do a boss?
Current 5L = RS + GMP + faster proj + minion dmg + echo and 6th would be ELE focus. Suspect to replace GMP for boss, but for what green gem? Faster proj can be swapped for slower proj.


Second question, if I raise a solar in lunaris temple and then go get t10's or whatever solar guards. How do I know the first one I raised will be a stronger one too? Like you want 4 strong ones but the first one you raised was in a lower zone how do you know that one gets replaced by higher tier one.

I don't find brightbeak is required if you can cap resists, with scourge and flesh offering up due to mistress you're fast enough with shield slam IMO. The 70% more dmg is very welcome.

You can achieve much higher hp values if you decide to use a 140hp belt and make a few more gear adjustments to focus on flat hp and str. 7k hp is very possible at level 90. Check the PoB. You are at a similiar hp level to my clearing setup. For me 5.1k-5.5k hp is more than enough after you factor in instant hp potions.

Maybe I needed to word it better but Clear speed setup involves anything T15 or lower.
RS + MinDmg + Echo + GMP + Faster Proj + 1 Blue flexible link

More often then not GMP replaced with pierce is more than enough dmg to completely annihilate anything T15 or lower.Replace faster proj with slower proj for even more dmg.

The ideal 6L for bossing has 5B and 1G. If you find this annoying to recolor all the time buy a second 6L vis mortis. I don't mind the recolor as switching between 1G or 2G does not cost much chromes. and is only needed when I plan to farm guardians/shaper.

You know you replaced the solar guard properly by either using basic arithmetic and counting =P. Or unsocketing the raise spectre gem so you reset yourself to 0 but the map has already triggered the desecrate trick so you summon 4 from there.

No, bright beak is not required for the resist but required for clear speed. I honestly feel like scourge is too slow for me. I only pull my culling scourge out in Guardians and above. Bright beak can shave off 20-30s off of a map run. That really adds up over time.

Think of it this way. 70% increased minion damage would shave off maybe like 1-2s off of a boss kill but moving faster in the map overall with bright beak saves 20-30s off your map runs!

Thanks

And what if im to lazy to recolor? I've never done shaper/guardians would 2x green 4x blue work:
RS-Minion dmg - echo - pierce - slower proj - elemental focus? Or would the dps suffer greatly?

Also I've currently only got a 5L and dont know if I'll be able to get 6L. Shaper/guardians possible on 5L? Clearspeed is NP, pretty faceroll... I dont time my maps but they're very fast. This is running shit maps too, because I messed atlas up so no way to sustain t10 dune or t11 spider forest etc.

Overall it really reminds me of d2 necro, the stone golem = clay golem and stuff... d2 vibes.
Why is it that after all this time spectres still disappear on dc/logout? It's fairly annoying.. have they ever said anything about it? Perhaps not possible to code or just lazy. It's really fked up when you got all spectres and open a map, enter it and DC.... that happened to me earlier today.

Plug the support gems into Path of Building and check. Guardians should still be very comfortable over 1million dps, shaper you might want a bit more.

If you truly want to optimize you really want a 6L with those exact gems and that particular spectre. This build is designed around farming fast so money should come by fairly quick.

You can fix your atlas it will cost a some currency but it's worth it. I would google/wiki how to unshape and remove maps from your atlas.

Summoner community has been asking for persistent spectre since their inception. It has been... 5 years now. Still nothing =(.

At least we have the spectre trick now. Back in the old days u had to hunt down and kill the mob then raise them one by one.

PSA: If your game crashes from using sentinels (particularly frost), turn off engine multithreading while you have those. Fixed the crashes for me.

Does this build work on Xbox?

In regards to being able to desecrate and summon the spectres, I mean.

Why do you use pierce for bosses with Solar Guards?