{3.2.0} Spectral Gods: [Life Based Spectre/Golem Hybrid Summoner | Clear Speed | End Game Bossing]

If you have 10 zombies you can still place down 5 more remote mines, idk what you talking about lol.

It counts on the tooltip as a potential zombie.

tool tip can go up to 15 with remote mine

difficult to resummon but the multiplying bonus is too good to pass.

zombie, remote mine, added fire, melee physical

(minion damage bonus + 39% fire dmg) * 49% mine * 49% melee

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mattc3303 wrote:

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ixthUA wrote:

Zombie + remote mine is difficult to re-summon - placed mine counts as zombie.

If you have 10 zombies you can still place down 5 more remote mines, idk what you talking about lol.

Yep, Remote Mine works without any issues. I use it on my Spectres, and I can summon all three. The toopltip will show my laid mines as "Spectres", but they don't count against the cap, just like a Skeleton Totem will count the totem as a 'skeleton' but you still get max skeletons from it.

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ixthUA wrote:

Good plan, waiting for armor numbers and youtube video.

I've been using Iron Reflexes on my Summoner for quite some time now. It dramatically improved my survivability. I've got a couple hundred armor coming from my gear and a 1,600 evasion shield. With that, Grace, Determination, and Inner Force, I was sitting at 8,000 armor pre-patch, and now 7,600 armor post-patch (due to Inner Force nerf).

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mattc3303 wrote:

difficult to resummon but the multiplying bonus is too good to pass.

zombie, remote mine, added fire, melee physical

(minion damage bonus + 39% fire dmg) * 49% mine * 49% melee

Added Fire scales off of physical damage, meaning it acts like a multiplier. Remote Mine and Melee Damage increase melee damage, so Added Fire will scale from there.

The only thing I am unsure of is whether Remote Mine will also affect Added Fire's final damage, adding yet another multiplier. In other words:

Total physical damage = [Minion damage bonus] * [melee physical] * [remote mine]
Total fire damage = [Total physical damage] * [added fire] * [remote mine]

Total damage = [Total physical damage] + [Total fire damage]

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Hercanic wrote:

Yep, Remote Mine works without any issues. I use it on my Spectres, and I can summon all three.

Not talking about spectres.

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Hercanic wrote:

I've been using Iron Reflexes on my Summoner for quite some time now. It dramatically improved my survivability. I've got a couple hundred armor coming from my gear and a 1,600 evasion shield. With that, Grace, Determination, and Inner Force, I was sitting at 8,000 armor pre-patch, and now 7,600 armor post-patch (due to Inner Force nerf).

You sacrifice life(es) to get armor, hp based builds get both. You have played a lot of time and probably traded many gear, yet 8k is nothing compared to 20k armor / 6k+ hp builds. I was asking about es/armor values for a fresh lv70 character who went this path.

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ixthUA wrote:

Not talking about spectres.

Does it matter? You claimed mines counted as zombies, making it difficult to summon them. Yet through direct experience from myself, Matt here, even Kripp, we can all tell you that Remote Mine does not interfere with Zombies, Spectres, or even Skeletons for that matter. If I can have a max of 10 zombies, raise 10 through remote mine, and set another 5 mines down, guess what my zombie counter shows? 15. If I set down 5 mines for Spectres, it shows 5 "Spectres", even though I can only have 3. If I can have a max of 16 skeletons, you know what my skeleton counter shows when a totem has summoned my max skeletons? 17, because the totem is included.

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ixthUA wrote:

You sacrifice life(es) to get armor, hp based builds get both. You have played a lot of time and probably traded many gear, yet 8k is nothing compared to 20k armor / 6k+ hp builds. I was asking about es/armor values for a fresh lv70 character who went this path.

Most summoner builds run with no armor, because minions eat almost all hits for you. But when that glancing shot gets through, at 0 armor, it will hurt -- a lot. 8k is far from nothing compared to 0. I can't tell you what you can achieve going ES/Armor because I'm not running Matt's build. I cited my current armor value because most of it is coming from 1 item and Grace. It demonstrates what you can do with a minimal gear investment.

I had 800 armor on my hp summoner on default and 4.2k hp. A rhoa charge would have taken off atleast 800. Having 8k armor and 3.2k hp would drastically inprove your effective hp

The lack of es nodes can covered by ephreal edge

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Hercanic wrote:

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ixthUA wrote:

Not talking about spectres.

Does it matter?

It does matter when you talk on random topic during subject discussion.

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Hercanic wrote:

Most summoner builds run with no armor, because minions eat almost all hits for you. But when that glancing shot gets through, at 0 armor, it will hurt -- a lot. 8k is far from nothing compared to 0. I can't tell you what you can achieve going ES/Armor because I'm not running Matt's build. I cited my current armor value because most of it is coming from 1 item and Grace. It demonstrates what you can do with a minimal gear investment.

HP summoner is no different from templar/marauder, can have 20k or more armor. I am wondering how much armor/es hybrid summoner will get, cause non-hybrid armors seems to be better.

@Matt: Random idea - Arc with Culling Strike and Blood Rage. Kills will grant Frenzy charges, increasing cast speed.

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ixthUA wrote:

It does matter when you talk on random topic during subject discussion.

Far from random -- do you not understand that remote mine is functionally identical when used on either zombies or specters?

You seem stuck on this small point of yours, never acknowledging anything Matt or I said on the subject itself. What are you trying to gain with this argument?

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Hercanic wrote:

Far from random -- do you not understand that remote mine is functionally identical when used on either zombies or specters?

You seem stuck on this small point of yours, never acknowledging anything Matt or I said on the subject itself. What are you trying to gain with this argument?

You use assumptions to make conclusions, which is not the correct way. Try to understand the point of your interlocutor.
You stated two things: remote mine works fine with specters, and eva shield works great with iron reflexes. Both these statements are correct, but both are offtopic.

@Matt: Random idea - Arc with Culling Strike and Blood Rage. Kills will grant Frenzy charges, increasing cast speed.

Your not going to have enough mana regen for sure . Arc isn't a dmg dealer its just for applying and spreading shock.

How are we off topic?(and why does it matter anyways). Both the concept of using remote mine for minions and evasion conversion for armor are both part of the build. Those two topics are both on topic.

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mattc3303 wrote:

How are we off topic?(and why does it matter anyways). Both the concept of using remote mine for minions and evasion conversion for armor are both part of the build. Those two topics are both on topic.

To me explaining obvious things to guys who can't get obvious things doesn't look like a possible task, so i will not object and leave any further discussion here (i highlighted 'leave' in a case you want to ask me something else in this thread).