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I thought i was upset about the game till i saw Ben's Video. He made me realize that the game is much worse state than i was thinking. He is 100% correct in his review
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Posted byAlluryen#2310on Jan 29, 2025, 6:05:02 AM
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and look, ben can prefer poe1 and just play that. he says he cant understand why 2 exists, well it exists because of all the shit ur saying. you just want to fast grind 99% efficiency layouts and it feels good to blow up the entire screen and max ur speed? cool. thats why poe2 exists, so you can stay in poe1 where you belong. and i dont mean that as a diss, i get it, when i play poe1 thats how i feel too a lot of the time and i hope poe1 lives on and lets me go do that sometimes.
but poe2 doesnt have to be that, thats why it exists, because actually theres a great game here where we stop giving a shit about a map layout being a bit inefficient.
he can play which ever one he prefers or both, good for him hes perfectly entitled to enjoy what he enjoys so power to him, much love to ben.
From what I understand, he likes that PoE2 is different in campaign and it tries to establish more meaningful combat and slower gameplay. But it all goes to dumpster as soon as you reach maps. And that's what triggers him. There's no meaningful and deliberate combat in the endgame. No decisions, you just spam one button and that's it. Because things are too fast for combo gameplay to exist.
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Posted by_ZLoBny_#7128on Jan 29, 2025, 6:11:39 AM
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40 SOFTCORE challenges takes ICANT
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Posted byBanneddd#5088on Jan 29, 2025, 6:17:59 AM
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and look, ben can prefer poe1 and just play that. he says he cant understand why 2 exists, well it exists because of all the shit ur saying. you just want to fast grind 99% efficiency layouts and it feels good to blow up the entire screen and max ur speed? cool. thats why poe2 exists, so you can stay in poe1 where you belong. and i dont mean that as a diss, i get it, when i play poe1 thats how i feel too a lot of the time and i hope poe1 lives on and lets me go do that sometimes.
but poe2 doesnt have to be that, thats why it exists, because actually theres a great game here where we stop giving a shit about a map layout being a bit inefficient.
he can play which ever one he prefers or both, good for him hes perfectly entitled to enjoy what he enjoys so power to him, much love to ben.
From what I understand, he likes that PoE2 is different in campaign and it tries to establish more meaningful combat and slower gameplay. But it all goes to dumpster as soon as you reach maps. And that's what triggers him. There's no meaningful and deliberate combat in the endgame. No decisions, you just spam one button and that's it. Because things are too fast for combo gameplay to exist.
Tbf he does also (iirc) say that he'd have liked the old idea of new campaign, same endgame, which personally disagree with. The basic reasoning; that poe 2 endgame has just ended up as a somewhat half-arsed poe 1 endgame with longer maps is on-point though.
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Posted bycid951#3156on Jan 29, 2025, 6:48:00 AM
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From what I understand, he likes that PoE2 is different in campaign and it tries to establish more meaningful combat and slower gameplay. But it all goes to dumpster as soon as you reach maps. And that's what triggers him. There's no meaningful and deliberate combat in the endgame. No decisions, you just spam one button and that's it. Because things are too fast for combo gameplay to exist.
ok, and yeah thats fair.
my take there would be that the further we get from act 3 the more we are just in a rushed placeholder mess that was thrown together asap so that they didnt miss their deadline by 8 months, which is probably what it would have taken to finish acts 4-6 and endgame then properly test it. and then it would have still needed 6 months of live balance testing and rethinking.
i dont think they even knew what endgame gameplay would result from the systems they had built when a million people started making builds in a live server until they pressed play and found out. so judging how it plays as if it was designed to feel like this i think is sort of irrelevant. saying it sucks is perfectly valid cause thats informing what should be changed, but i think he gives whats there way too much credit when he talks about it as if its been designed this way.
i think its more like we threw 47 different herbs and spices into a blender with 4 oils, 3 creams, 2 cheeses and a glass of water. wtf is this sauce gonna taste like? who knows, literally no one has a clue, lets press the button and find out.
now they have tasted it, theres a million problems with it like they knew there would be but they at least have an idea now of where they want it to go and how to get there.
I love all you people on the forums, we can disagree but still be friends and respect each other :)
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Posted bySnorkle_uk#0761on Jan 29, 2025, 6:50:32 AM
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I can at least appreciate Ben talk about terrible layouts which i think is the biggest issue with asset flip Path of exile 0.2.
Otherwise don't forget he is one of the streamers on GGG payroll so what he says is extremely curated despite trying to look otherwise
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Posted byAlivkos#3986on Jan 29, 2025, 6:50:32 AMOn Probation
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Quin had a reaction to it and I especially agreed on the skill 1-button part.
Ben is playing the broken stuff and then saying POE2 is just 1 button.
No you are just playing the broken stuff, that, hopefully will be addressed in their balancing.
There are things I agree/disagree on in bens feedback but theres also some blatant "its early access" answers you can give to some of his gripes.
yeah thats roughly my take too.
i hard agree with about 25% of his thoughts
hard disagree with another 25%
the other 50% just seems like hes talking about place holder systems that were thrown together and stuffed in at the last minute to have a functioning game build they could release 3 weeks late and then completely redesign later.
so what hes saying about them isnt totally irrelevant because they do need to properly design those systems and its important to triangulate what should be in that space, knowing what shouldnt be there is useful. but the way he talks about them as if theyre what the game actually is and then goes on to draw conclusions about the game, the devs, the direction etc based on that seems totally irrelevant.
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+1 to basically all of this.
and look, ben can prefer poe1 and just play that. he says he cant understand why 2 exists, well it exists because of all the shit ur saying. you just want to fast grind 99% efficiency layouts and it feels good to blow up the entire screen and max ur speed? cool. thats why poe2 exists, so you can stay in poe1 where you belong. and i dont mean that as a diss, i get it, when i play poe1 thats how i feel too a lot of the time and i hope poe1 lives on and lets me go do that sometimes.
but poe2 doesnt have to be that, thats why it exists, because actually theres a great game here where we stop giving a shit about a map layout being a bit inefficient.
he can play which ever one he prefers or both, good for him hes perfectly entitled to enjoy what he enjoys so power to him, much love to ben.
This. Poe1 is a containment zone for this type of player.
Working as intended.
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Posted byb_ko#7756on Jan 29, 2025, 7:00:28 AM
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It's almost like Ben plays the game for a living... OH WAIT!
Do you play the game for a living, OP? Do you invest your entire fucking day every day to playing this game?
If you did, you'd see all the shitty parts about it too. Gtfo with your rose-colored glasses, my dude.
And btw, D4 is so trash tier and irrelevant that I can't understand how you'd allege a diehard PoE streamer was bought by Blizzard. It's clear that Mr. 40 challenges wants to talk some mad shit. Grats, bro.. you did it.
Had to write an entire essay to debate a streamer that will never bother to listen to your silly opinion. Good 1.
Is this some contest where we measure who has the longest? Ok.
- Level 94 Blood Mage
- Level 92 Gemling
- Level 91 Infernalist
- Level 90 Pathfinder
- Level 88 Warbringer
- Level 71 Stormweaver
- Level 69 Pathfinder
- Level 66 Invoker
and a few deleted chars because I don't like scrolling through them.
Darling, the "bought by Blizzard" isn't meant seriously, it's an exaggeration.
Wha? I am not allowed to talk "mad shit"? Why? Because you think my opinion is silly while you are unable to state why? Mkay.
That sounds like you really love the game and your feedback isn't as useful as of someone that doesn't like the game and likes ARPGs
IGN gubert
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Posted byGubert#1144on Jan 29, 2025, 9:39:05 AM
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It's almost like Ben plays the game for a living... OH WAIT!
Do you play the game for a living, OP? Do you invest your entire fucking day every day to playing this game?
If you did, you'd see all the shitty parts about it too. Gtfo with your rose-colored glasses, my dude.
And btw, D4 is so trash tier and irrelevant that I can't understand how you'd allege a diehard PoE streamer was bought by Blizzard. It's clear that Mr. 40 challenges wants to talk some mad shit. Grats, bro.. you did it.
Had to write an entire essay to debate a streamer that will never bother to listen to your silly opinion. Good 1.
Is this some contest where we measure who has the longest? Ok.
- Level 94 Blood Mage
- Level 92 Gemling
- Level 91 Infernalist
- Level 90 Pathfinder
- Level 88 Warbringer
- Level 71 Stormweaver
- Level 69 Pathfinder
- Level 66 Invoker
and a few deleted chars because I don't like scrolling through them.
Darling, the "bought by Blizzard" isn't meant seriously, it's an exaggeration.
Wha? I am not allowed to talk "mad shit"? Why? Because you think my opinion is silly while you are unable to state why? Mkay.
That sounds like you really love the game and your feedback isn't as useful as of someone that doesn't like the game and likes ARPGs
IGN gubert
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Posted byGubert#1144on Jan 29, 2025, 9:39:06 AM
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i disagree with everything steel said
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Posted byraV#3445on Jan 29, 2025, 9:45:37 AM
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