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Part of the reason why people are upset is the radio silence between patches. I'm willing to put up with radio silence more than most people; usually, a good dev doesn't need to share everything they're doing with you at every hour of the day. A few teasers of upcoming content and fixes here and there wouldn't hurt, though.
The other problem is that Jonathan isn't a good public speaker. This is not the same as being a bad communicator. Jonathan and Mark are very good communicators because they tell you exactly what's on their mind and are very honest with their feelings about the game. But they both came off as very tonedeaf in the last devstream. If you're a dev and you're about to give an interview with some hardball questions, you'd best be prepared to give some practiced answers.
A lot of their responses from the last devstream could have been rehearsed beforehand and mitigated much of their negative impact. One major example is how Jonathan responded to the question about Warrior balance.
What Jonathan said (paraphrased): "I dunno, Warrior feels fine to me in campaign. We know it's not perfect, though. We'll look into it."
This is a sincere answer, but Jonathan's tone and wording made him seem callous. He didn't sound like he acknowledged Warrior players' frustrations with the class, even citing an example irrelevant to the question at hand (endgame performance).
What Jonathan could have said: "Yeah, we had an initial idea for the Warrior and Mace skills to feel slow but deliberate. I think we hit the mark in terms of feel, but not in performance. We're aware that the Warrior isn't performing up to snuff in endgame. It's something we're looking into right now, though bear in mind that as we tweak the Atlas, class balance will also need to be tweaked alongside it."
He wouldn't need to say all of that, but even just a few of those points would have satisfied players far more than how he replied.
It's odd, because I know the exact moments in the stream you're talking about and I felt the same way, I had a horrendous time in the campaign as a warrior and it was shocking to hear him apparently have a decent time.
There were breakpoints about the endgame that made me stop playing, too much time consumed just trying to find citadels.
Yet my overall takeaway from the last 2 months is 'Has problems. Great skeleton for whatever's coming next'
Like, I pretty much agree with what you're saying, but it just didn't bother me as much, I knew I was getting into with an EA title, I had different expectations.
If you've been gaming for a while, you should know by now to have tempered expectations, no matter how trustworthy a developer is.
You say you're willing to put up with radio silence more than most people, but you're the one here, in these very forums showing me that you're not.
I mean, you're here griping too. The radio silence really doesn't bother me that much. I'm willing to go play other games between content updates while providing feedback on this game.
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Posted byGwonam#5505on Jan 27, 2025, 1:35:24 AM
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Oh wait Gwonam you're that guy that wanted to be able to resurrect in maps with a gold cost lmao nvm I don't think I can take this conversation seriously anymore
Sorry, did I hear something?
It's too bad, we were about to have a decent conversation. But apparently some thread you didn't even respond in was enough to chuck that out the window.
He's like this 24/7, some whack job that lives on these forums. I just ignore him usually. he sets his thing to private cause he has 5 millions posts and would be banned otherwise.
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Posted byHeroEvermore#0498on Jan 27, 2025, 1:35:59 AM
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Oh wait Gwonam you're that guy that wanted to be able to resurrect in maps with a gold cost lmao nvm I don't think I can take this conversation seriously anymore
Sorry, did I hear something?
It's too bad, we were about to have a decent conversation. But apparently some thread you didn't even respond in was enough to chuck that out the window.
He's like this 24/7, some whack job that lives on these forums. I just ignore him usually. he sets his thing to private cause he has 5 millions posts and would be banned otherwise.
Oh, that's sad.
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Posted byGwonam#5505on Jan 27, 2025, 1:37:24 AM
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Oh wait Gwonam you're that guy that wanted to be able to resurrect in maps with a gold cost lmao nvm I don't think I can take this conversation seriously anymore
Sorry, did I hear something?
It's too bad, we were about to have a decent conversation. But apparently some thread you didn't even respond in was enough to chuck that out the window.
You seem not to have liked my idea. Would you like to talk about it? Would you like to talk about it in my thread, perhaps?
Yeah, actually. You deserve a proper response there at least.
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Posted byRekt_Sky#1296on Jan 27, 2025, 1:38:05 AM
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Yeah, Break some S***, Innocence will forgive you. +1
Pretty much.
I remember I made a last minute talent (you can only have 4 talents) for a game which allowed Strength or Finesse and Intelligence to scale for both Attacks and Spells.
This essentially gave the character two main stats so I knew it would be a little tricky, esp with the additional versatility it added but I wanted to see what players made with it. Death Knights, Arcane Archers, Battle Mages, All types of builds popping up. Which is exactly what I wanted.
The problem was still present though. Overwhelmingly positive feedback with "This is kinda OP" mixed it. So I used Vertical Compression in the calculations instead of a Decaying Curve. Done.
Sometimes it's better to just throw it out there with reasonable estimation than sit on it.
"Never trust floating women." -Officer Kirac
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Posted byXzorn#7046on Jan 27, 2025, 1:39:54 AM
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Game dropped to mostly positive on steam today. decline .5% per day since launch. Fact.
I don't understand you. Everytime you post it's just negativity about game. You even said that PoE 2 is the worst ARPG you ever played and you never login again. So why are you still here?
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Posted bySakanabi#6664on Jan 27, 2025, 1:46:26 AM
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Game dropped to mostly positive on steam today. decline .5% per day since launch. Fact.
I don't understand you. Everytime you post it's just negativity about game. You even said that PoE 2 is the worst ARPG you ever played and you never login again. So why are you still here?
Maybe he sits on forum cuz he care but doesnt play cuz he dont like state of game?
And whats a point to say "game is good" when its obv not and has a lot of problem that devs do not solve?
Ok, game is good! haters gona hate! Steam charts lie! LMAO
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Posted byPotmacius#7739on Jan 27, 2025, 2:03:08 AM
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Game dropped to mostly positive on steam today. decline .5% per day since launch. Fact.
I don't understand you. Everytime you post it's just negativity about game. You even said that PoE 2 is the worst ARPG you ever played and you never login again. So why are you still here?
Maybe he sits on forum cuz he care but doesnt play cuz he dont like state of game?
And whats a point to say "game is good" when its obv not and has a lot of problem that devs do not solve?
Ok, game is good! haters gona hate! Steam charts lie! LMAO
Maybe he can speak for himself (or maybe not I don't know)? Look I know that game needs alot of work but that doesn't mean that I or anyone else can't enjoy it. My taste is obviously "bad" because of that. So my opinion is inferior right? The problem is that many players are angry because PoE 2 is something else than they expected but they stopped with feedback a just spread hate - everything bad, stupid game, trash - which is kinda pointless imo because it doesn't provide any tips for improving the game.
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Posted bySakanabi#6664on Jan 27, 2025, 2:10:21 AM
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This game needs new season launch and new content release ASAP. Doesn't matter how small or big it is, we need it RIGHT NOW. Imagine releasing a season during february where it's packed with so many great hyped games; KCD2, Civ7, Avowed, Like a Dragon and most importantly MH Wilds. If you release the new season into this, you are not getting a lot of players back. We need this season before february, ASAP.
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Posted byKage#1250on Jan 27, 2025, 3:03:08 AM
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Seems like there is a lot of newcomers that haven't had the time to read the manifestos, or understand the cadence of updates/releases/leagues, so let me try and alleviate some of your concerns about the radio silence.
First off, Grinding Gear Games (GGG) has a well-established pattern when it comes to how they handle updates. Major changes, like new mechanics, balance shifts, or league-specific content, are typically bundled into the release of a new league. This allows them to focus their resources on delivering a polished and cohesive experience rather than making incremental changes mid-league that could disrupt the balance or gameplay.
Radio silence between leagues isn't unusual—it's just how GGG works. It gives them time to collect data, listen to feedback, and thoroughly test the changes they plan to implement. If they were constantly communicating every minor detail or making reactive changes mid-league, it would likely lead to instability or rushed updates.
Instead, the time between leagues is used for refinement and to ensure the next league is packed with meaningful content. While it can be frustrating to not hear much during this period, it's actually a sign that they’re focusing on the quality we’ve come to expect.
They typically ramp up their communication as we approach the launch date of a new league.
Patience is key with GGG—they've proven time and again that the wait is worth it. They have been following this cadence for over a decade, and if you look at a lot of their manifestos, they aren't intending on changing the core pillars anytime soon.
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Posted byMagoraz#6258on Jan 27, 2025, 5:17:43 AM
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