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I still stand by my thoughts that they should be making sweeping changes. Not tiptoeing around. "We don't want to make that change because of the economy." - What? What economy? That annoyed me so much. Screw the economy, start smashing out some healthy changes.
Yeah, that argument is weird af, especially for SSF players who give zero shits about "economy" (and probably are like third of a playerbase - even if they play trade league). They need to communicate, release stuff, break stuff, fix stuff ALL THE TIME. Instead we get instant nerfs in the first week or two and only technical fixes in the next 8 weeks.
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Posted by_ZLoBny_#7128on Jan 29, 2025, 4:18:19 AM
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Seems like there is a lot of newcomers that haven't had the time to read the manifestos, or understand the cadence of updates/releases/leagues, so let me try and alleviate some of your concerns about the radio silence.
First off, Grinding Gear Games (GGG) has a well-established pattern when it comes to how they handle updates. Major changes, like new mechanics, balance shifts, or league-specific content, are typically bundled into the release of a new league. This allows them to focus their resources on delivering a polished and cohesive experience rather than making incremental changes mid-league that could disrupt the balance or gameplay.
Radio silence between leagues isn't unusual—it's just how GGG works. It gives them time to collect data, listen to feedback, and thoroughly test the changes they plan to implement. If they were constantly communicating every minor detail or making reactive changes mid-league, it would likely lead to instability or rushed updates.
Instead, the time between leagues is used for refinement and to ensure the next league is packed with meaningful content. While it can be frustrating to not hear much during this period, it's actually a sign that they’re focusing on the quality we’ve come to expect.
They typically ramp up their communication as we approach the launch date of a new league.
Patience is key with GGG—they've proven time and again that the wait is worth it. They have been following this cadence for over a decade, and if you look at a lot of their manifestos, they aren't intending on changing the core pillars anytime soon.
Like I said above, a lot of new players that haven't spent the time to read manifestos or understand the core pillars of GGG development.
The game is based on Leagues. One of the core pillar designs of POE 1 and POE 2, is purposeful Ebbs and Flows. They want (yes they want) people to stop playing between seasons, only to return with a absolute stampede with vast changes to the meta and new content. This creates unbelieveable amounts of hype and anticipation.
I tell you what-none of my friends who play POE 1 or 2 are going to return to EA if they fix a build doing 100m DPS. I can guarantee ALL of them will return when they release another act, and release a new class or two. This is true when they shift the META between skills, classes and ascendancies.
I am not blaming people for not understanding GGG's game design, intent and core pillars, just trying to educate people so they don't keep raging for no reason. I guarantee the cadence of releases and updates will not change in POE 2. It is too sucessful for the returning (multi-year) player base that spend big money each league.
Also.... free game. A new league gives GGG opportunity to release Supporter Packs. This is incentive to draw as many returning and new players as possible. This is not possible without new content and MAJOR balance shifting. It is the only way they make their revenue (and it is all optional).
Lesson Over :)
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Posted byMagoraz#6258on Jan 29, 2025, 5:48:04 AM
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The game is based on Leagues. One of the core pillar designs of POE 1 and POE 2, is purposeful Ebbs and Flows. They want (yes they want) people to stop playing between seasons, only to return with a absolute stampede with vast changes to the meta and new content. This creates unbelieveable amounts of hype and anticipation.
I tell you what-none of my friends who play POE 1 or 2 are going to return to EA if they fix a build doing 100m DPS. I can guarantee ALL of them will return when they release another act, and release a new class or two. This is true when they shift the META between skills, classes and ascendancies.
I am not blaming people for not understanding GGG's game design, intent and core pillars, just trying to educate people so they don't keep raging for no reason. I guarantee the cadence of releases and updates will not change in POE 2. It is too sucessful for the returning (multi-year) player base that spend big money each league.
Also.... free game. A new league gives GGG opportunity to release Supporter Packs. This is incentive to draw as many returning and new players as possible. This is not possible without new content and MAJOR balance shifting. It is the only way they make their revenue (and it is all optional).
Lesson Over :)
I've no doubt that most the missing classes are actually done or nearly done and being held back for player retention however. PoE1 beta had considerably more skills and build variety than PoE2 currently has. It also had better mechanics for those builds.
You might be confused in how PoE1 started out compared to it's later years though. I'm an example of that. I knew PoE1 closed beta was out but I didn't pay for access. I waited until open beta. The league system was also first introduced 2 years after closed beta.
There's no real evidence that the big patch league concept was a good idea when they started out since their player numbers were quite small. I did not invested into PoE1 until I started seeing money going back into the game and felt they could be trusted.
Something which is especially important to newer players I'd imagine.
So now we have considerably more players with considerably higher expectations with a very bare bones games who would laugh at GGG if they tried some of those early leagues. I doubt even releasing a class would do much given how poorly designed the current ones are.
"Never trust floating women." -Officer Kirac
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Posted byXzorn#7046on Jan 29, 2025, 7:53:29 AM
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