Why POE2 is dying

A top player that only play video games and nothing more gets 9k+ ES so you need to punish casual players that want to use ES? It makes no sense. I sacrificed a lot of points in other parts of my build to struggle to get 5k ES. Although armor and life needs a buff, to nerf energy shield will make players forgetting it and start to use life builds instead, as Life you can use potions, have a lot of more Recovery, with no "time waiting to start to regen it"

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Nyon#6673 wrote:

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Strickl3r#3809 wrote:

Armor needs a buff, not energy shield a nerf. It's not like average gamers are roflstomping ssfhc with energy shield.
Anyway games surely not dying it's not even out yet. You can try a demo.

When one is 3-4 times stronger then the other then its almost always a case of one needing a buff and the other a nerf. Not just making life/armor overpowered aswell.

Ok, but casual andy is not able to buy es gear for 1-2 div a piece when they reach maps, so the nerf better be very very reasonable.

Also some caster classes need to stand still and cast all kind of shit that can be interupted so they obv need a larger life pool to be even able to unleash their pwoer they can't jsut hit and run.

What you see on Ben's stream or whereever is not representative for what happens on other peoples screens is the thing.

Some death penalty is absolutely necessary for even the most dopamine-fried brains out there. So tired of hearing this death penalty whining. Zero understanding of human nature despite you all probably being like 35+ years old.

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Strickl3r#3809 wrote:

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Nyon#6673 wrote:

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Strickl3r#3809 wrote:

Armor needs a buff, not energy shield a nerf. It's not like average gamers are roflstomping ssfhc with energy shield.
Anyway games surely not dying it's not even out yet. You can try a demo.

When one is 3-4 times stronger then the other then its almost always a case of one needing a buff and the other a nerf. Not just making life/armor overpowered aswell.

Ok, but casual andy is not able to buy es gear for 1-2 div a piece when they reach maps, so the nerf better be very very reasonable.

You can buy mediocre es pieces for 2 ex each.
Alsl its irrelevant. Weither your a casual or a hardcore player one defense system shouldnt be 4 times stronger then the others.

Your whole argument is just that you want to keep es overpowered so you can use it as a crutch to make the difficulty easier. Which is fundamentally wrong.

Life/armor and es should both be viable choices weither your casual or mega tryhard.

Currently one is massively stronger then the other, to the point where its not even comparable. And its highly unlikely that its just life/armor thats this undertuned and not also es thats way stronger then intended

As i said have you even palyed a caster? YOu need to stand still and cast 4 spells at once, you cannot hit and run like a merc or ranger.

merc is underpowered but you can just use dodge roll as long as you are not zdps and the fact that your amror sucks doesn't even matter. Stormweaver would get one shot all the time when casting mana tempest if the es pool would be half as much, because there is no option to hit and run.

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TheWroth#7505 wrote:

A top player that only play video games and nothing more gets 9k+ ES so you need to punish casual players that want to use ES? It makes no sense. I sacrificed a lot of points in other parts of my build to struggle to get 5k ES. Although armor and life needs a buff, to nerf energy shield will make players forgetting it and start to use life builds instead, as Life you can use potions, have a lot of more Recovery, with no "time waiting to start to regen it"

No the top builds with good gear get to like 15k+ es and can ignore boss one shot mechanics. I went with 9k as a more reasonable average number.

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Strickl3r#3809 wrote:

As i said have you even palyed a caster? YOu need to stand still and cast 4 spells at once, you cannot hit and run like a merc or ranger.

merc is underpowered but you can just use dodge roll as long as you are not zdps and the fact that your amror sucks doesn't even matter. Stormweaver would get one shot all the time when casting mana tempest if the es pool would be half as much, because there is no option to hit and run.

Now your just trying to muddy the discussion by changing the subject to something irrelevant. First off i play a caster, secondly caster gameplay vs melee gameplay vs whatever is irrelevant, thirdly are you seriously suggesting that casters should inherently have stronger defenses then a melee class?

Casters can use life/armor just like every1 else, they just all use es because its 4 times as good.

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Nyon#6673 wrote:

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Strickl3r#3809 wrote:

As i said have you even palyed a caster? YOu need to stand still and cast 4 spells at once, you cannot hit and run like a merc or ranger.

merc is underpowered but you can just use dodge roll as long as you are not zdps and the fact that your amror sucks doesn't even matter. Stormweaver would get one shot all the time when casting mana tempest if the es pool would be half as much, because there is no option to hit and run.

Now your just trying to muddy the discussion by changing the subject to something irrelevant. First off i play a caster, secondly caster gameplay vs melee gameplay vs whatever is irrelevant, thirdly are you seriously suggesting that casters should inherently have stronger defenses then a melee class?

Casters can use life/armor just like every1 else, they just all use es because its 4 times as good.

ok whatever dude, muddening the discussion sure...and you surely play a caster and actively want to get nerfed, yeah right buddy suuuuure

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AnimePillowCollector#2255 wrote:

Some death penalty is absolutely necessary for even the most dopamine-fried brains out there. So tired of hearing this death penalty whining. Zero understanding of human nature despite you all probably being like 35+ years old.

No, death penalty is not needed for a game to be fun. Dying itself already feels bad and is enough of a punishment. The game does not need to double-down and punish the player for literally no reason.

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eldheim#2436 wrote:

Disclaimer:

I already know a few elite GGG bootlickers will spam this comment section telling me I don't understand charts or numbers, that its "normal", or "everything is fine", or "play something else -stop whining".
Let them. It's all they do, all the time, and we can't stop it.

You know why you might keep getting those responses? There are multiple reasons but the big two are:
1) The numbers show the exact opposite of what you claim, and also prove that you do NOT know how to read charts and graphs and refuse to learn.

2) You even decided not to even provide whatever numerical data you are claiming because....it doesn't exist. Which is actually even worse than misrepresenting it.


I am not happy with the state of the game. I don't play anymore. But it most certainly is NOT dying at the moment. It WILL see a massive decrease in 3-4 weeks if there isn't a major content update though.

Using the collective "we" to try to appeal to a broader base and single out those who point out your mistakes doesn't make the original comment any less wrong or unfounded. You know who starts comments like that? Setting up the us vs. them BEFORE you even begin? People who are generally wrong and know they are wrong.