The Self Found League

Hi

gfurm

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I wouldn't mind to know what difficulties he's on about. Destroy item popup is already there, disabling trade window is probably easy, and they been playing with drop rates (for maps at least) since CB. There are 4 leagues already, there are races with different attributes going on, so what difficulties he's on about???

I wrote basically the same thing awhile ago on this thread and still wonder what these difficulties could be...

emtwo

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As an extreme example, the economy of the Southern United States was damaged significantly by the abolition of slavery. I want to make it clear that I am not in any way comparing the plight of Self-Found players with the plight of enslaved peoples, but the extreme example is useful to clearly illustrate the point that sometimes causing harm to the economy can still yield a positive result overall.

BOB MARLEY SAYS:EXODUS! MOVEMENT OF THE PEOPLE:) That was the first thing I thought of when I read this.

McscrotieMCB

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On the other hand, applying the exact same logic to self-found, there is absolutely no need for a Self-Found League; if you really want the self-found restriction, all you have to do is refuse to trade with anyone.

Ignorant to the idea of SFL but this comment does have merit, you forgot to add ''turn off your trade chat window''

cheers,still bumping:)

@emtwo:

Regarding SFL with increased drop rates, I believe you understand my objection.

Regarding SFL without increased drop rates, this already exists: just play in one of the current leagues and refuse to trade.

SFL without increased droprates is useless; GGG using their time and effort on useless things is destructive. SFL with increased droprates is destructive outright; it would wreck the game. It's a bad idea no matter how you slice it.

And the real problem is MF anyway.

Any problem with trading is not from its mere existence; it is from the form which trading takes. If you want to fix trading, figure out how to fix trading instead of trying to run away from it. In truth, the ability to ignore trading is as strong as it will ever be, and cannot be increased further, except through self-denial and/or attempts to force nontrading upon others.

Everyone seems focused on increased drop rates as the only mechanic that can be used for SFL, I personally believe this is misguided. Having played self-found since closed beta, recently with quite high MF, I only see many more useless items to dispose of. The same would occur by simply increasingg the drop rate.

I also don't understand why the 'anti-sfl' brigade keep raising the subject of trading. I would have though, by now, it's fairly obvious that those of us who play self-found have no interest in trading, regardless of whether the current system is fixed/improved/made easier, whatever.

I don't think that the drop rate itself needs to be changed. The drop rate is fine. It's the rarity of the drops that needs to be tweaked slightly to account for solo, self found play.

Basically, running solo you don't really have as much room in your build for magic finding. Quantity is fine. It's rarity that kills you.

The limits of what should be done (mostly Perfect_Black's idea):

• All items should have a game-internal "Self-found" tag. This should also be displayed on the item in the user interface. Stacks of currency would also have this tag.
• Edit: Obviously, trading any item would cause it to permanently lose the self-found tag (even if you later got the same item back).
• Mixing of self-found and non-self-found currency would not happen automatically (item pickup or Ctrl+clicking to move from inventory to stash), but could happen by moving a stack onto another stack manually. This would cause the entire stack to lose the self-found tag.
• Using non-self-found currency on a self-found item would cause it to permanently lose the self-found tag.
• Your character would gain a self-found logo on the character stat sheet, ladder ranking, general/trade chat, et cetera, while only using self-found gear. Equipping any non-self-found gear (to include skill gems) would remove this tag; unequipping that gear would return it (but see below). There would be no penalty whatsoever for merely carrying non-self-found gear, nor having it in your stash.
• Killing one monster with non-self-found gear would permanently render a character ineligible for the self-found tag.
• The tag would not be available for solo races (but would be shown in party races).
• In a more general balance sense, item quantity and rarity rates, both intrinsic to a character and also those based on gear, should undergo a methodical, calculated, and scientific balance adjustment to make the effects of IIQ and IIR less overwhelming, especially in regards to solo play. Covering this topic in detail is beyond the scope of this thread, but may be discussed in detail here.
• No Self-Found League should be created, ever.

/thread

Basically, make changes to MF and give SFL players a label. Not terribly useful, but thanks anyway.

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Kellog wrote:

Basically, make changes to MF and give SFL players a label. Not terribly useful, but thanks anyway.

I wish I could tell the difference between the uber-trollers and the people who just cannot have an open discussion. I feel that I am beginning to get trolled at a very high rate.

PLEASE LOCK THIS THREAD, SIFT THROUGH THE B*LLSHIT, AND FIND THE GOLD, GGG!!!

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DijiGo wrote:

This is a thread for people that want a SFL, not an alternative. Why is this so hard to grasp?

LOL, and now you are asking the mods to lock a thread about a subject you have no interest in.

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Perfect_Black wrote:

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Kellog wrote:

Basically, make changes to MF and give SFL players a label. Not terribly useful, but thanks anyway.

-Your comments are not terribly useful.
-At least Scrotie, me, and others are communicating about alternatives to a SFL.
-What are you contributing to the discussion? Stubborn inability to compromise?
-F*ck it, GGG should eat up server resources for a league to satisfy a bunch of whiney people who can't be happy with the awesomeness that is PoE. At least a SFL will get a bunch of annoying people out of my beloved Standard League. I say go for it.
-Actually, while we are at it, let's have a Trade Only League (TOL) where players NEVER get relevant item drops to their characters and are thus forced into trade to acquire useful items; this is the logical complimenting league to a SFL.

Actually, the only contribution you've made are labels, a lot of needless swearing and some QQ'ing because people don't automatically agree with everything you've said. As for the last post of ScrotieMcB, it's so full of arrogance, it hardly warrants a response.

As far as compromise is concerned, there are no compromises to be made on either side, as it's all just speculation. Once there's something substantial on the table, and GGG obviously have discussed something internally , we can argue the details, until then, this is nothing more than a wish list.

You're also still bringing up the idea that a self-found league would somehow eat into precious server resources. Whereas GGG are already creating new leagues, so the issue is moot.

Quite honestly, I have no idea why you continue to post in this thread, you're clearly totally against SFL and seem hell bent on trying to ram your misguided suggestions down everyone else's throat.

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Perfect_Black wrote:

-At least Scrotie, me, and others are communicating about alternatives to a SFL.
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PLEASE LOCK THIS THREAD, SIFT THROUGH THE B*LLSHIT, AND FIND THE GOLD, GGG!!!

This is a thread for people that want a SFL, not an alternative. Why is this so hard to grasp?

Go and read the OP and refresh your memory as to why this thread exists.

Don't like the concept of SFL? Think it will destroy the game, kill your dog, or flip the planet on its axis?? Fine, your prerogative, but I couldn't care less about your alternatives.

Might be more useful for you to go and SH*T in some other thread, and take Scrotie with you.

LOL, and now you are asking the mods to lock a thread about a subject you have no interest in.

/boggle

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Kellog wrote:

As for the last post of ScrotieMcB, it's so full of arrogance, it hardly warrants a response.

Pot, kettle. Kettle, pot.

Now I know what I'm supposed to do here. I'm arrogant, then you're arrogant, then I take the high road or some such. But the high road is getting boring, and I am simply amazed at the stubbornness and misallocated devotion in this thread. At this point it's no longer about actually diagnosing or solving the problem, but about scapegoating and believing in that something with little or no power to help will somehow cure you from all that ails you. I've tried saying it a dozen ways, sometimes rationally, sometimes sympathetically, but this thread simply... wouldn't... die. Nothing actually against Vakirauta; I won't lie and say I was never frustrated by my inability to get him to change his mind, but I was never upset with him as a person; he's been a gentleman throughout this whole thread. But still... it wouldn't die.

And then fuck my life, there were two of them. So I vented on emtwo; I don't really feel sorry about that, if anything I'm glad I had the opportunity to do so outside of this thread. Plus, seriously... one of these is enough.

But I digress. The point is that I'm burnt out; I'm done. emwo deserving it doesn't mean all of you do. And clearly I've lost a great deal of my patience. So that "/thread" was me saying goodbye to this thread.

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Oops, devil won.

As B.B. Rodriguez would say, "so long, chumps."