What option I have to obtain watchstone from Maven since I never defeat Maven?

I think most people have too little damage and then get overwhelmed by mechanics as they get fatigued.

I have done Sirus on a super tanky 500K DPS character in 20 minutes who could tank all the shots except slam but it's not worth it.
You have to have 2M+ DPS for Maven, preferably double that and you need 2M+ DPS for Sirus.
Maven becomes very easy once you have at least 10M DPS.

what you saying is right, truely understand. unless the maven orb is as cheap as the maps like what you explained the examples, sure i will get used to the Maven pattern one day. the access to maven is not cheap or time consuming to collecting maven spliters.

anyway, somehow need to face Maven this league lol

I need a good character. mine first Sirus killed is with Guardian Aura Stacker, this char enable myself Sirus fighting time 'longer' before death. the prolong fighting time letting me learn his pattern and benefit future Sirus fight getting more predictable/confidence.

too bad I did not kill Maven in ultimatum league with burst hit fire, at least no need to aim her and just run.

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fistoz wrote:

Seriously.. People are scared of some boss yet cry for something that's basically useless if you aren't strong enough to use, that's supposed to juice up endgame content even more once you're stomping it hard already x)

This will be easier than the past 2 years with all that conqueror grinding, Baran messing your maps randomly when low players didn't want to with his big lightning mods and mana-draining fly traps, multiple Sirus and so on..
Then again, we'll even have way more implicits on stuff, even low stuff !

How did you beat Merveil on Act1 ? Momafackin' Dominus on Act3 or even a goddamn GOD, Kitava the Insatiable !!?
That's right, you learned the patterns, you avoided getting hit and killed it, sometimes with more or less skill.
Really.. It comes as you play, and if you play 1H/week you can't blame on the difficulty or cry about not doing all the content ^^

Just check my previous post for Maven's battle solutions.. trivializes it really !

thanks for these, first time to know :) tell you one secret, until today I still confuse large cluster jewel which mod is the middle node lol. the text of the item and description is really confuse me.

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fistoz wrote:

Thanks to Noffin on reddit, we got a little memory training game here :
https://niteb.itch.io/maven-memorygame

And something I found reaaaally useful to know about it :

Spoiler

Really, instead of memorizing 6 locations, numbers or whatever, you just have to remember 2 cycles going either "circle" or "back and forth" and the direction ;)

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SoFastx wrote:

thanks for these, first time to know :) tell you one secret, until today I still confuse large cluster jewel which mod is the middle node lol. the text of the item and description is really confuse me.

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fistoz wrote:

Thanks to Noffin on reddit, we got a little memory training game here :
https://niteb.itch.io/maven-memorygame

And something I found reaaaally useful to know about it :

Spoiler

Really, instead of memorizing 6 locations, numbers or whatever, you just have to remember 2 cycles going either "circle" or "back and forth" and the direction ;)

Yeah, discovered that 2-cycle tip few days ago.. and it really helps ^^

What do you mean middle nod ? I don't know much about cluster jewels either :p
At first I thought of it as a cheating option, prefered to use the main tree.. Then just felt lazy to study all the subject and trade those I need, or played SSF.. And I hate Delirium.

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KalHirol wrote:

You get T16s on the atlas without voidstones and you dont have to defeat any non map boss for it.

The first 2 voidstones are easy to get.

If you cannot defeat maven (why? the fight is not hard) buy a carry.

Please stop whining about the game, the problem is you, not the game.

But that means the problem is the game then because its only his problem because the boss is to hard for him right? sounds like a game problem to me

I have not even been able to kill this boss and i have some alright builds (tho ive only tried like 1 or 2 times cause it takes to long to get her)

The memory game just feels so out of place in a game like this otherwise maven is a really fun boss.

Scurry Scurry. You can pay a carry for your first maven and sell invitations as well. It's up to you. Also if you get the passives, downgrading stones and profiting from more passives can be good if you are zdps.

As always invest into completing the atlas first, including paying carries if you have to. Then arbitrate what you want to do. Passive atlas points are slightly generating currency over time, and if you don't do end game encounters it is now passive points you can put elsewhere. But you want those points first.

So yeah long story short, if you can't kill those bosses(it can happen, having 10+Mish sdps for ubbers is not something everybody can achieve) just pay for it. There is no shame in that, it's the game.

I mean, I was literally swimming in currency in 3.13 and 3.14 and it was for a big part because I had all those uncharted passives. With the new system it will be the same, it's something like 28 points, a full mechanic on top of what you have and 2 if you remove boss nodes(while keeping all the small unexciting juice nodes wich should probably be rushed and never respeced).

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Kiss_Me_Quick wrote:

I think most people have too little damage and then get overwhelmed by mechanics as they get fatigued.

I have done Sirus on a super tanky 500K DPS character in 20 minutes who could tank all the shots except slam but it's not worth it.
You have to have 2M+ DPS for Maven, preferably double that and you need 2M+ DPS for Sirus.
Maven becomes very easy once you have at least 10M DPS.

This is a good description though some players might find it easier to just be able to tank the non major mechanics. You can get Maven to a stage where the only mechanics you care about is brain beam, slam, memory game and touching the noodles and thats a very manageable set tbh as you only get 2 at a time anyway.

When the last phase is don't touch noodle and do memory game its pretty easy just slow - like you say in a way the enemy is fatigue it probably depends on the player.

Either want rapid AF but chances for errors or slow AF with massive margin for errors, not in between.

Dumb move. Maven is a like what at least 5x harder than T16 maps? Makes no sense to gate those behind her. This is like Gating Atziri behind Uber Atziri

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Aim_Deep wrote:

Dumb move. Maven is a like what at least 5x harder than T16 maps? Makes no sense to gate those behind her.

You still have access to T16 maps even without any voidstones.