The game feels horrible to play the 3.15 nerfs + the 3.16 nerfs have just killed this game

Hi,

i came from Diablo 1, 2 and 3 to play a better and more challenging hack ´n slay. My first league was the Prophecy League. The league content since then was sometimes better sometimes worse. In my opinion there was a break by nerving soulrend and the introduction of clusterjewels. The hack ´n slay went into a crafting simulation. You need a ton of information and tools to play the game. Next horrible thing was Sirus. The fight is mechanic and you can get a lot of excellent information. I am not the youngest and to beat him all the infos are in my mind. I failed often because I see nothing.

For the scourge content: hit V and you are dead. Dropped items mostly are trash.

For myself the time I get bored in new league became shorter and shorter. I like the game and I hope things become better for the fun.

Cheers!

(insert obligatory rebuttal reply).

It’s a bit depressing to see so many negative posts. It seems so much of what threads like these represent is just a subjective view on “what is fun.” In an attempt not to allow an echo chamber of negativity thrive so openly on the forums, I’ll give my opinion. I started playing in Ultimatum league having been a former D2/D3 longtime player. Maybe it’s because I don’t have years on years expectations built for this game, but I’m quite enjoying myself all three leagues I’ve played. Certain things were more challenging than previously. Such a thing does not bother me in the slightest. I am not a no-lifer as I have a full time job, and my feelings don’t echo the sentiment of the majority of posts seen here. Good day.

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sbowen223 wrote:

(insert obligatory rebuttal reply).

It’s a bit depressing to see so many negative posts. It seems so much of what threads like these represent is just a subjective view on “what is fun.” In an attempt not to allow an echo chamber of negativity thrive so openly on the forums, I’ll give my opinion. I started playing in Ultimatum league having been a former D2/D3 longtime player. Maybe it’s because I don’t have years on years expectations built for this game, but I’m quite enjoying myself all three leagues I’ve played. Certain things were more challenging than previously. Such a thing does not bother me in the slightest. I am not a no-lifer as I have a full time job, and my feelings don’t echo the sentiment of the majority of posts seen here. Good day.

Yeah that's the problem. U don't know how it was so u can't compare to how it is rn. Game used to be a LOT better, even on forums that mostly upset people come was much better with only a few performance or game is hard threads. The problem atm is not this though (game is easier than ever but with a lot of cheap ways to kill u that just frustrate people)

So there is indeed a reason why a lot of people are unhappy. Many played this game for years (myself included) and saw the ups and downs. The last 6 months or so were the worst state this game have being and I never saw the community this divided before.

Its pretty much always the same people complaining anyways and it can be boiled down to "Harvest is gone, I cant trivialise the game anymore, therefore everything is bad". Spoiled kids essentially.

Players expecting to get everything on a silver plattern right away, hiding behind the "Think about new player and casuals" argument.
Its pretty pathetic honestly.


I have yet to read a valid argument thats not just an opinion on how the game is supposed to be fun.

We are just about 1 month into the league, yet the expectation is that they need to be able to beat everyting even if they arent putting in the time/effort and the league is lasting for another 2 months.
What they want is a more indepth D3.

Dont think, just smash buttons and win automatically.
PoE was on that path way too long and GGG is to be blamed for that. They allowed a good chunk of the playerbase to get spoiled for far too long and thats why those players are complaining 24/7 now.

ggg, unnerf support gems or the game will bleed out.
90% of my friends have quit.

btw, what about MONSTERS power creep? because i bet i can feel it

game simply not fun anymore..
nerfing the support gems only result in avrage players who struggled to get enough dps for content now are unable to do content because 95% of skills are not good enough to clear content without few mirror investment into some stupid "powecreep" items ..

on the other hand the power creep people went down from 300mil dps to 250mil dps and killing bosses in a 1.2 seconds instead of 1 second. .

to me i had some faith in scourge but i just noticed that builds most of them simply dont work anymore.. i feel like all builds dont have enough damage to do basic content that you expect to do.. without huge investment which you probably only reach near the end of the league.. and all that so you would still be worse than 1c investment toxic rain

as of today i quit this game.. im no longer having fun.. i feel like game require too much for me in order to play it.. or do stuff.. i hope they improve it in future but for now i see no reason to play this game

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Orbaal wrote:

Its pretty much always the same people complaining anyways and it can be boiled down to "Harvest is gone, I cant trivialise the game anymore, therefore everything is bad". Spoiled kids essentially.

Players expecting to get everything on a silver plattern right away, hiding behind the "Think about new player and casuals" argument.
Its pretty pathetic honestly.


I have yet to read a valid argument thats not just an opinion on how the game is supposed to be fun.

We are just about 1 month into the league, yet the expectation is that they need to be able to beat everyting even if they arent putting in the time/effort and the league is lasting for another 2 months.
What they want is a more indepth D3.

Dont think, just smash buttons and win automatically.
PoE was on that path way too long and GGG is to be blamed for that. They allowed a good chunk of the playerbase to get spoiled for far too long and thats why those players are complaining 24/7 now.

None of this makes any sense.

The harvest 'nerf' does not exist for the people that know how to use it, all it did was further increase the power gap between normal players and the no-lifers / those with no issues spending r/l cash.

Imagine telling people they don't know how to have fun... lol

Pretending like everything is sweet and balanced is just delusional, power creep is greater now than it was in every prior league, if you can't see that then you are intentionally ignoring it.

Absolutely nothing has changed in their philosophy/implementation, it's still a case of 'clear the screen in 1 button or get insta killed, eventually' all the player nerfs did was exacerbate the issue and extend the player gap further...

To correct the other guy that said its "the same people complaining blabla" NO it is not. U can even go further and dig on this forum and u will see that the SAME PEOPLE since the game inception have being white knighting the game. THe complainers just stop and move on after they give their opinion/criticism. THe paladins of the grail in the otherhand defend everything like a paid lawyer. Hell I wanted a laywer this commited that works for free or even donate money to me from time to time.

To be honest I didn't expect this post would get any comments lol

I was kind of ranting and pissed when I made the post... I had rolled 5 different builds and all of em felt HORRIBLE

I was frustrated af and I could see the obvious reasons why these builds were failing is all the stuff they pulled in 3.15 and 3.16 nerfs

Then I saw Ghazzy made a video on my post

So I came back to check on my thread and saw how many comments I had

I appreciate the people who support my opinion and are like-minded players who have played POE for many years

I can already see how the retention has been going for the past 2 leagues, but seeing people actively voice their shared concern for POE is refreshing to see

How else is GGG going to make the right choices if players don't speak up and voice their opinions on the game?

Clearly they are not going down the right path to keep POE growing and fun to play.... CLEARLY....

I still kept playing this league because I don't have any other games to play

I don't hate the game

I don't like the direction GGG is taking the game in

Retention is showing that players are not liking the new game changes

You can clearly see from the history of the charts that 3.13 was like the best point of POE

That direction was the fun and enjoyable stuff

Where build diversity felt awesome

Crafting was finally accessible beyond a gambling simulator

The game was finally reaching new peaks

And then GGG decided - No the community is wrong

And look at what's happened to the playerbase

30-40% loss?

Leagues losing 50-60% players in 2 weeks?

Listen you can disagree with me if you want but

This is my feedback for GGG and the stats show im right

If GGG wants to kill their game they just have to keep doing what they did in 3.15

I don't want the game to die

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IHellBoundI wrote:

To correct the other guy that said its "the same people complaining blabla" NO it is not. U can even go further and dig on this forum and u will see that the SAME PEOPLE since the game inception have being white knighting the game. THe complainers just stop and move on after they give their opinion/criticism. THe paladins of the grail in the otherhand defend everything like a paid lawyer. Hell I wanted a laywer this commited that works for free or even donate money to me from time to time.

Im not defending the game nor GGG.

I did state plenty times that this is the most flawed yet the most fun game I ever played. However I do reject any statement thats based on the "fun" argument, because its based on your personal definition of fun.
There is no such thing as a globally applicable formula for fun. Its just your opinion, which is fine - but its not an argument.
Thats my point.


Also agreeing with the fundamental structure of the game (despite obvious flaws) and having fun playing the game isnt whiteknighting.
Its just disagreeing with the doom and gloom stance a lot of people here and elsewhere like to take and claiming victimstatus while they are at it.

All GGG can ever do is creating a framework for everyone and its the players job to make it work for whichever reasonable goals the player is persuing and having fun. Thats not GGGs job.
As long as I can make the game work for me, Ill have fun playing the game.

Im aware this is a fundamentally different approach than a lot of players here on the forums are taking. They expect GGG to know and cater to their definition of fun and if GGG fails to do so, they call for boykotts, claim victimhood and cry wolf over and over again.

Dont expect to respect that or anything like that. I wont.
I think its childish at best and wont hesitate to post just that. Call me what you want, it wont win me over to your cause or stop me from disagreeing with your stance.