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Spoonmann wrote:
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By the way, individual players have been getting together to do what MBs have been doing since the beginning, and they do it significantly more efficiently then the MBs do. I wouldn't be surprised if they create more currency then the MBers.
Seriously people, its 2013. The ignorance is getting really old.
I feel that you are correct in what you are saying. A party of 6 humans working together should be able to farm more efficiently than a multi-boxer using even the best available software.
Of course he's correct. But it redirects your attention to "how much average currency can drop on the floor in a given amount of farming time" rather than "how much currency is going to one individual person in a given amount of farming time".
Of course a group of 6 people will out-perform scripted multi-boxing bots. But then loot is divided among 6 different people, and they will all have that currency for their 6 different sets of gear and their own individual wants & needs.
But the solo multi-boxer will have all of his loot gain for himself. He has no need to maximize 6 characters, so he can use his riches to maximize his favorite that he plans on being his main.
Do you see the difference now, and how people keep trying to trick you with their "arguments"?
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Posted byShadyC#1006on Apr 2, 2013, 7:02:30 PMOn Probation
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Cambob wrote:
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SkyCore wrote:
Imagine this:
There are foragers who search for food all day long. They happily have plenty of food to survive. Until...
One day they hear about others planting things in order to harvest them without as much effort as it takes to foraging.
The foragers place blame on the farmers uttering ridiculous things like 'farmers are ruining my foraging'. They do their best to come up with all kinds of illogical but influential reasons why farmers are hurting them.
Those who point out that foragers still have enough food to survive... are attacked.
Those who point out that farmers are not attacking the foragers... are attacked.
Those who dont agree that farmers are hurting the foragers ...are ... (you guessed it) attacked.
I see a pattern here.
imagine this:
someone drives up in a tractor and farms 100% faster than you.
They take all of their stuff to market and devalue the price of stuff.
the tractor is not included in the game.
still cheating.
You completely missed the point.
A forager could be happy. It is just that he is jealous. Instead of only having what he needs, a farmer has a 100 times what he needs. And the unhappy forager wants that.
The person to blame for the foragers unhappiness is the FORAGER.
No - YOU are completely missing the point, as you have been for 30 pages now. Granted, I know it's on purpose because you're trying to trick people, but here's the actual point of what Cambob is saying...
The forager without the tractor CAN'T be happy just with having what he needs, because he can't get what he needs. The market inflated too high, and the normalized farming that he can achieve in a day doesn't properly feed himself and his family. They're hungry and cold, and the crop season is about to end. Their house is falling apart and the temperatures are dropping. Meanwhile, Mr. Tractor just upsized his property. He's got a two-story house, fully reinforced for hurricane protection, and he has all the food & money in the world. His family is getting fat because of how well-off they are.
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Posted byShadyC#1006on Apr 2, 2013, 7:07:45 PMOn Probation
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I can't believe I have to say this out loud...
Bots USE multi-boxing to maximize their botting.
It's not one or the other.
You're a fool. Or an amazing troll.
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Posted bySL4Y3R#7487on Apr 2, 2013, 7:08:24 PMBanned
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SkyCore wrote:
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Cambob wrote:
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SkyCore wrote:
Imagine this:
There are foragers who search for food all day long. They happily have plenty of food to survive. Until...
One day they hear about others planting things in order to harvest them without as much effort as it takes to foraging.
The foragers place blame on the farmers uttering ridiculous things like 'farmers are ruining my foraging'. They do their best to come up with all kinds of illogical but influential reasons why farmers are hurting them.
Those who point out that foragers still have enough food to survive... are attacked.
Those who point out that farmers are not attacking the foragers... are attacked.
Those who dont agree that farmers are hurting the foragers ...are ... (you guessed it) attacked.
I see a pattern here.
imagine this:
someone drives up in a tractor and farms 100% faster than you.
They take all of their stuff to market and devalue the price of stuff.
the tractor is not included in the game.
still cheating.
You completely missed the point.
A forager could be happy. It is just that he is jealous. Instead of only having what he needs, a farmer has a 100 times what he needs. And the unhappy forager wants that.
The person to blame for the foragers unhappiness is the FORAGER.
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Cambob wrote:
devalue the price of stuff.
Prove it. Prove that stuff wouldnt be devalued regardless of the tractor. Prove what a 'fair' price truely is. There are sooooo many factors you dont even see much less comprehend.
Just how many seashells is a bushel of corn worth? I would argue that all the seashells in the world arent worth a single piece of food that you need.
Now in PoE, the seashells actually do have some use. So inflation can only only go so high. If the price is so terrible, then craft your own.
Really?
Ok, first of all. calm down. this isn't Farmville.
Secondly. cheating is cheating. but if you can't grasp what cheating means, google a definition.
Next, I don't have to prove anything. if you're too dense to find the evidence on the net and too selfish to understand what cheating means, then anything I said will have no impact on your style of gaming.
Bigger, real life problems are often caused by people who think the same what you do. Yes, this is just a game, but I'm here to play Path of Exile, not Path of Cheating.
If you really need to cheat, I can't stop you. But it's pathetic that you feel it's "intelligent" to cheat.
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Posted byCambob#4516on Apr 2, 2013, 7:09:22 PM
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The forager without the tractor CAN'T be happy just with having what he needs, because he can't get what he needs. The market inflated too high, and the normalized farming that he can achieve in a day doesn't properly feed himself and his family. They're hungry and cold, and the crop season is about to end. Their house is falling apart and the temperatures are dropping. Meanwhile, Mr. Tractor just upsized his property. He's got a two-story house, fully reinforced for hurricane protection, and he has all the food & money in the world. His family is getting fat because of how well-off they are.
As a farmer or a forager, I dont NEED a single damn thing the market offers. Not a single thing. I can provide for my family just fine.
That is just one thing of a thousand which you fail to see.
For years i searched for deep truths. A thousand revelations. At the very edge...the ability to think itself dissolves away.Thinking in human language is the problem. Any separation from 'the whole truth' is incomplete.My incomplete concepts may add to your 'whole truth', accept it or think about it
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Posted bySkyCore#2413on Apr 2, 2013, 7:23:55 PM
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Is multiboxing included with the game? No.
Does multiboxing give one player an advantage over other players? Yes.
multiboxing is cheating.
That's analogous to saying that alcoholic beverages and marijuana are immoral.
If you drink alcohol or smoke marijuana, does that make you more likely to commit crimes like: - driving while intoxicated?
- assault and battery?
- sexual assault or rape?
I'm pretty sure that, strictly speaking, the answer is yes. If you plot it all out on a graph, there's probably a positive correlation.
But does that make the use of those substances immoral in and of itself? For alcohol, almost everyone thinks it isn't intrinsically immoral, and in marijuana's case it's a fiercely debated, controversial issue (at least in the US).
Multiboxing is the act of one individual simultaneously having multiple accounts logged in separately on different machines.
Is that a warning sign for botting and other forms of automation that exploit an in-game economy? Certainly. There's a positive correlation.
But is the act intrinsically wrong? If you keep it at its minimalist definition, is it cheating? No. If it's just one guy hopping from machine to machine, playing musical chairs with himself, then there's really no harm in it.
Like I said, the real enemy is botting, and although it might make some sense for GGG to keep a watchful eye on people they see multiboxing, it is not cheating in-and-of-itself.
In my opinion, multiboxing should not be punished at all; on the other hand, I'm not a Bible-thumper.
When Stephen Colbert was killed by HYDRA's Project Insight in 2014, the comedy world lost a hero. Since his life model decoy isn't up to the task, please do not mistake my performance as political discussion. I'm just doing what Steve would have wanted. Last edited by ScrotieMcB#2697 on Apr 2, 2013, 7:38:03 PM
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Posted byScrotieMcB#2697on Apr 2, 2013, 7:25:22 PM
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Spoonmann wrote:
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Magnicon2 wrote:
By the way, individual players have been getting together to do what MBs have been doing since the beginning, and they do it significantly more efficiently then the MBs do. I wouldn't be surprised if they create more currency then the MBers.
Seriously people, its 2013. The ignorance is getting really old.
I feel that you are correct in what you are saying. A party of 6 humans working together should be able to farm more efficiently than a multi-boxer using even the best available software.
The majority of people dont group in a party of 6 and farm effectivley tho thats the problem, that would also negate the whole "butt-hurt" experience...sorry i mean "cut-throat" experience that GGG want.
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Posted byDatChen#6930on Apr 2, 2013, 7:32:09 PM
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SkyCore wrote:
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ShadyC wrote:
The forager without the tractor CAN'T be happy just with having what he needs, because he can't get what he needs. The market inflated too high, and the normalized farming that he can achieve in a day doesn't properly feed himself and his family. They're hungry and cold, and the crop season is about to end. Their house is falling apart and the temperatures are dropping. Meanwhile, Mr. Tractor just upsized his property. He's got a two-story house, fully reinforced for hurricane protection, and he has all the food & money in the world. His family is getting fat because of how well-off they are.
As a farmer or a forager, I dont NEED a single damn thing the market offers. Not a single thing. I can provide for my family just fine.
That is just one thing of a thousand which you fail to see.
Then why do you think GGG made PoE with progression? By your stupid logic, everyone should be level 100 with all possible items in the game. NO randomization. No progression. No trading.
Stop making excuses for cheating.
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Posted byCambob#4516on Apr 2, 2013, 7:32:56 PM
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Cambob wrote:
Is multiboxing included with the game? No.
Does multiboxing give one player an advantage over other players? Yes.
multiboxing is cheating.
That's analogous to saying that alcoholic beverages and marijuana are immoral.
If you drink alcohol or smoke marijuana, does that make you more likely to commit crimes like: - driving while intoxicated?
- assault and battery?
- sexual assault or rape?
I'm pretty sure that, strictly speaking, the answer is yes. If you plot it all out on a graph, there's probably a positive correlation.
But does that make the use of those substances immoral in and of itself? For alcohol, almost everyone thinks it isn't intrinsically immoral, and in marijuana's case it's a fiercely debated, controversial issue.
Multiboxing is the act of one individual simultaneously having multiple accounts logged in separately on different machines.
Is that a warning sign for botting and other forms of automation that exploit an in-game economy? Certainly. There's a positive correlation.
But is the act intrinsically wrong? If you keep it at its minimalist definition, is it cheating? No. If it's just one guy hopping from machine to machine, playing musical chairs with himself, then there's really no harm in it.
Like I said, the real enemy is botting, and although it might make some sense for GGG to keep a watchful eye on people they see multiboxing, it is not cheating in-and-of-itself.
In my opinion, multiboxing should not be punished at all; on the other hand, I'm not a Bible-thumper.
Seriously? calm down. That last line made me laugh.
The fact you can't understand what cheating is and what it does is unfortunate.
Multiboxing/multi-farming gives one player a distinct advantage over another player.
multiboxing is NOT included with the game.
multiboxing, no matter how complex and difficult it is, is still cheating.
It's amazing that this is too complicated for you to understand.
cheating is cheating.
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Posted byCambob#4516on Apr 2, 2013, 7:39:53 PM
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Then why do you think GGG made PoE with progression?
Because of our nature to be happy when we achieved a goal. GGG is in the business of setting up triggers for the release of dopamine and other chemicals in the brain. They give us an enjoyable world, we give them money.
Well at least some of us give them money. I am included in the list of donators, and as far as i can tell you are not. Now what does that say? Cheap stake.
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By your stupid logic, everyone should be level 100 with all possible items in the game. NO randomization. No progression. No trading.
Please walk me through the logic, cause i for the life of me cannot distort what iv said to anything remotely resembling that logic train.
Far as i can tell you seem to think getting to level 100 with the best possible items is 'needed'. That might explain a few things.
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Cambob wrote:
Stop making excuses for cheating.
No where have i ever said multi-boxing should be acceptable. What i am arguing against is that it 'ruins the game'. There is very clear difference.
For years i searched for deep truths. A thousand revelations. At the very edge...the ability to think itself dissolves away.Thinking in human language is the problem. Any separation from 'the whole truth' is incomplete.My incomplete concepts may add to your 'whole truth', accept it or think about it Last edited by SkyCore#2413 on Apr 2, 2013, 7:58:16 PM
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Posted bySkyCore#2413on Apr 2, 2013, 7:45:15 PM
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