The Multi-box Thread: How it ruins the game.

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Spoonmann wrote:

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Magnicon2 wrote:

By the way, individual players have been getting together to do what MBs have been doing since the beginning, and they do it significantly more efficiently then the MBs do. I wouldn't be surprised if they create more currency then the MBers.
Seriously people, its 2013. The ignorance is getting really old.

I feel that you are correct in what you are saying. A party of 6 humans working together should be able to farm more efficiently than a multi-boxer using even the best available software.

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SkyCore wrote:

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ShadyC wrote:

The forager without the tractor CAN'T be happy just with having what he needs, because he can't get what he needs. The market inflated too high, and the normalized farming that he can achieve in a day doesn't properly feed himself and his family. They're hungry and cold, and the crop season is about to end. Their house is falling apart and the temperatures are dropping. Meanwhile, Mr. Tractor just upsized his property. He's got a two-story house, fully reinforced for hurricane protection, and he has all the food & money in the world. His family is getting fat because of how well-off they are.

As a farmer or a forager, I dont NEED a single damn thing the market offers. Not a single thing. I can provide for my family just fine.
That is just one thing of a thousand which you fail to see.

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ScrotieMcB wrote:

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Cambob wrote:

Is multiboxing included with the game? No.
Does multiboxing give one player an advantage over other players? Yes.

multiboxing is cheating.

That's analogous to saying that alcoholic beverages and marijuana are immoral.

If you drink alcohol or smoke marijuana, does that make you more likely to commit crimes like:

• driving while intoxicated?
• assault and battery?
• sexual assault or rape?

I'm pretty sure that, strictly speaking, the answer is yes. If you plot it all out on a graph, there's probably a positive correlation.

But does that make the use of those substances immoral in and of itself? For alcohol, almost everyone thinks it isn't intrinsically immoral, and in marijuana's case it's a fiercely debated, controversial issue.

Multiboxing is the act of one individual simultaneously having multiple accounts logged in separately on different machines.

Is that a warning sign for botting and other forms of automation that exploit an in-game economy? Certainly. There's a positive correlation.

But is the act intrinsically wrong? If you keep it at its minimalist definition, is it cheating? No. If it's just one guy hopping from machine to machine, playing musical chairs with himself, then there's really no harm in it.

Like I said, the real enemy is botting, and although it might make some sense for GGG to keep a watchful eye on people they see multiboxing, it is not cheating in-and-of-itself.

In my opinion, multiboxing should not be punished at all; on the other hand, I'm not a Bible-thumper.

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Cambob wrote:

Then why do you think GGG made PoE with progression?

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Cambob wrote:

By your stupid logic, everyone should be level 100 with all possible items in the game. NO randomization. No progression. No trading.

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Cambob wrote:

Stop making excuses for cheating.

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Cambob wrote:

Multiboxing/multi-farming gives one player a distinct advantage over another player.

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Cambob wrote:

multiboxing is NOT included with the game.

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Cambob wrote:

multiboxing, no matter how complex and difficult it is, is still cheating.

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Cambob wrote:

cheating is cheating.

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SkyCore wrote:

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Cambob wrote:

Then why do you think GGG made PoE with progression?

Because of our nature to be happy when we achieved a goal. GGG is in the business of setting up triggers for the release of dopamine and other chemicals in the brain. They give us an enjoyable world, we give them money.
Well at least some of us give them money. I am included in the list of donators, and as far as i can tell you are not. Now what does that say? Cheap stake.

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Cambob wrote:

By your stupid logic, everyone should be level 100 with all possible items in the game. NO randomization. No progression. No trading.

Please walk me through the logic, cause i for the life of me cannot distort what iv said to anything remotely resembling that logic train.
Far as i can tell you seem to think getting to level 100 with the best possible items is 'needed'. That might explain a few things.

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Cambob wrote:

Stop making excuses for cheating.

I do not make excuses for cheating. No where have i ever said multi-boxing should be acceptable. What i am arguing against is that it 'ruins the game'. There is very clear difference.

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ScrotieMcB wrote:

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Cambob wrote:

Multiboxing/multi-farming gives one player a distinct advantage over another player.

No, one guy switching seats from one computer to another has no advantage. You need to use botting and other forms of automation to gain an advantage.

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Cambob wrote:

multiboxing is NOT included with the game.

You're allowed to create as many separate accounts as you want. That's pretty close to being included in the game. Botting, however, is a subversion of the game.

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Cambob wrote:

multiboxing, no matter how complex and difficult it is, is still cheating.

It's not complex, it's not difficult, and that's almost as silly as saying me creating a new forum account named CambobSucks to troll you is cheating. Me creating a bot that automatically created new accounts to create spam advertisement threads in General Discussion would be a different story.

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Cambob wrote:

cheating is cheating.

Tautologies: the mark of a true intellectual.

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Kissell13 wrote:

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ToxicRatt wrote:

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Dudebag wrote:

i dont think GGG said anything about multiboxing=cheating.

did they?


if people have good computer to run multiple accounts, that's not cheating.

if people have multiple computers to run accounts , that's not cheating.


if people use 3rd party program, that's cheating.

bot, cheating.


dont mix those together tho.

Explain to me how you multibox WITHOUT a 3rd party program?

All Hardware and Multiple pc's. If you wanna call shennanigans on 3 party progams, then start by removing all mouse and kb software then your OS. They are all 3rd party programs. Not exactly sure how to reinstall the game on a pc with no operating system but maybe youll have better luck than most :)



Anyone wishing to understand multiboxxing before coming and posting more utter nonsense go to www.dual-boxing.com and read.

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ScrotieMcB wrote:

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Cambob wrote:

Is multiboxing included with the game? No.
Does multiboxing give one player an advantage over other players? Yes.

multiboxing is cheating.

That's analogous to saying that alcoholic beverages and marijuana are immoral.

If you drink alcohol or smoke marijuana, does that make you more likely to commit crimes like:

• driving while intoxicated?
• assault and battery?
• sexual assault or rape?

I'm pretty sure that, strictly speaking, the answer is yes. If you plot it all out on a graph, there's probably a positive correlation.

But does that make the use of those substances immoral in and of itself? For alcohol, almost everyone thinks it isn't intrinsically immoral, and in marijuana's case it's a fiercely debated, controversial issue (at least in the US).