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What does a simple carpet salesman like me do in this situation? I grind hours and hours a day selling all my carpets just to get 40 alts. then when I try to exchange for higher currency nobody would take less than 25 alts per chaos, even though 16 alts = 2 fusings at vendor.... is there going to be any sort of regulation at some point? this is really breaking my balls... I go to sleep and wake up the next day just to find out chaos orbs are almost worthless even though for me, they drop once in a moon and they still have the same function. yet somehow they are deemed as "bad" currency now. And even when i pool all my hard earned currency over weeks to buy a nice item. the seller says that he only wants pure exalts...
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Posted byJarenga#1275on Mar 31, 2013, 2:46:57 AM
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Since when are chaos orbs worthless?
I honestly do not understand why people in OB value exalts so much. Divines have more use than an exalt does.
Just because something is rare, does/should not make it valuable. To each his own I guess.
Oh, and Jarenga, dunno. I just happen to find things while mapping that I will use myself, or for different characters.
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Posted bySL4Y3R#7487on Mar 31, 2013, 2:52:38 AMBanned
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Jarenga wrote:
What does a simple carpet salesman like me do in this situation? I grind hours and hours a day selling all my carpets just to get 40 alts. then when I try to exchange for higher currency nobody would take less than 25 alts per chaos, even though 16 alts = 2 fusings at vendor.... is there going to be any sort of regulation at some point? this is really breaking my balls... I go to sleep and wake up the next day just to find out chaos orbs are almost worthless even though for me, they drop once in a moon and they still have the same function. yet somehow they are deemed as "bad" currency now. And even when i pool all my hard earned currency over weeks to buy a nice item. the seller says that he only wants pure exalts...
The problem is they don't actually have the same function. Better gear = lower value currency, particularly for the more random function currencies (GCPs are worst though, since they are ultimately worthless, linear +1 progression that tops out). In a young economy, alchs, chaos are worth a LOT but as the quality of the average gear in circulation or supply increases, the value of the average rolls of chaos or alchs decrease.
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Posted byDeletedon Mar 31, 2013, 2:59:19 AM
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SL4Y3R wrote:
Since when are chaos orbs worthless?
I honestly do not understand why people in OB value exalts so much. Divines have more use than an exalt does.
Just because something is rare, does/should not make it valuable. To each his own I guess.
Oh, and Jarenga, dunno. I just happen to find things while mapping that I will use myself, or for different characters.
That's exactly what I am saying... people still use chaos orbs to get better map rolls, they still use chaos orbs to try and get a nice roll on that high ilvl item they just looted, yet, for some reason, chaos orbs purchasing value is really going down hill. exatly 2 weeks ago 15 chaos would get you an exalt, but now the minimum someone would take is 20, which is a whoping 30% increase!!! The OP has a really good argument for why this is happening.. but by the time I finished reading I got really depressed.
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Posted byJarenga#1275on Mar 31, 2013, 3:00:07 AM
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Jarenga wrote:
What does a simple carpet salesman like me do in this situation? I grind hours and hours a day selling all my carpets just to get 40 alts. then when I try to exchange for higher currency nobody would take less than 25 alts per chaos, even though 16 alts = 2 fusings at vendor.... is there going to be any sort of regulation at some point? this is really breaking my balls... I go to sleep and wake up the next day just to find out chaos orbs are almost worthless even though for me, they drop once in a moon and they still have the same function. yet somehow they are deemed as "bad" currency now. And even when i pool all my hard earned currency over weeks to buy a nice item. the seller says that he only wants pure exalts...
The problem is they don't actually have the same function. Better gear = lower value currency, particularly for the more random function currencies (GCPs are worst though, since they are ultimately worthless, linear +1 progression that tops out). In a young economy, alchs, chaos are worth a LOT but as the quality of the average gear in circulation or supply increases, the value of the average rolls of chaos or alchs decrease.
Except maps eat chaos orbs.
Chaos aside, WHY are exalts more valued than divines? I've never understood this. An Exalt is used to MAKE gear, and like GCP, these have a low max use per item A Divine is used to PERFECT gear, and can be used MANY more times than an exalt.
EDIT: BTW, odds are, that is a trolling attempt in that photo. Not from Shady, but from the person who posted it on Reddit
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Posted bySL4Y3R#7487on Mar 31, 2013, 3:02:07 AMBanned
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SL4Y3R wrote:
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Jarenga wrote:
What does a simple carpet salesman like me do in this situation? I grind hours and hours a day selling all my carpets just to get 40 alts. then when I try to exchange for higher currency nobody would take less than 25 alts per chaos, even though 16 alts = 2 fusings at vendor.... is there going to be any sort of regulation at some point? this is really breaking my balls... I go to sleep and wake up the next day just to find out chaos orbs are almost worthless even though for me, they drop once in a moon and they still have the same function. yet somehow they are deemed as "bad" currency now. And even when i pool all my hard earned currency over weeks to buy a nice item. the seller says that he only wants pure exalts...
The problem is they don't actually have the same function. Better gear = lower value currency, particularly for the more random function currencies (GCPs are worst though, since they are ultimately worthless, linear +1 progression that tops out). In a young economy, alchs, chaos are worth a LOT but as the quality of the average gear in circulation or supply increases, the value of the average rolls of chaos or alchs decrease.
Except maps eat chaos orbs.
Chaos aside, WHY are exalts more valued than divines? I've never understood this. An Exalt is used to MAKE gear, and like GCP, these have a low max use per item A Divine is used to PERFECT gear, and can be used MANY more times than an exalt.
EDIT: BTW, odds are, that is a trolling attempt in that photo. Not from Shady, but from the person who posted it on Reddit
Yes maps eat chaos, but maps are shorter term consumables vs gear which could be irreplaceable. You are right in that divines are clearly the final step in perfection, but you still need the mods first, apparently that takes a fair amount of time and/or exalts. There is no doubt that for some people, or gear, divines are worth more than exalts.
Hell, I can say the same about the value of chaos vs exalts when we're talking about average or shit gear, early in a race for instance, I'd rather have a chaos than an exalt. Chances are I'm getting more value from the chaos.
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Posted byDeletedon Mar 31, 2013, 3:12:16 AM
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Ok, I dont see the problem with multiboxing and what I read here, and I really do is just:
But let me explain:
If I am able to play 2 Hours more then an other guy I will get more Items. So more playtime results in more Items. Should I blame people that are able to play more? No ofc not. It does not effect my play at all. I can still find items, and I want to find / craft my Items. Yes its frustrating if you grind for hours and no upgrade coming but buying one? No WAY! Its much more rewarding to finally find or craft an Item then just buying it.
And that people are more efficient by using Multi Accounts then me playing solo or with friends is ok. I don't play for currency so I do not care. They have zero influence on my game. Its just a stupid QQ thread in my eyes. This happens if you have a lot of people that are just buying stuff because its so much easier. Remove this thinking that you have to buy things. This mindset killed D3 too. The AH is an option not the prime way to get items. But people don't want to understand. Ofc buying is more efficient but look at this way. Most efficient way to get sex is to pay for it. This whole dating and talking stuff is not efficient at all. But we still do it.
So plz stop crying because some people are able to use a more efficient way to grind currency and Items then you. If you play for trading, well then just do it too. But keep in mind. Every player that is able to spend more time then you will get more items and you don't flame them.
Strange that there is not QQ Post with a topic like "Streamer X sells much more because he has so many followers. This Guy is killing the game because if 5000k viewers just buy items of him I loose X Amount of currency" But I feels this will be the next QQ of the month spam in Forums Why you should try Harcore http://www.pathofexile.com/forum/view-thread/209310/page/1
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Posted bytadl#0113on Mar 31, 2013, 3:26:56 AM
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Ok, I dont see the problem with multiboxing and what I read here, and I really do is just:
But let me explain:
If I am able to play 2 Hours more then an other guy I will get more Items. So more playtime results in more Items. Should I blame people that are able to play more? No ofc not. It does not effect my play at all. I can still find items, and I want to find / craft my Items. Yes its frustrating if you grind for hours and no upgrade coming but buying one? No WAY! Its much more rewarding to finally find or craft an Item then just buying it.
And that people are more efficient by using Multi Accounts then me playing solo or with friends is ok. I don't play for currency so I do not care. They have zero influence on my game. Its just a stupid QQ thread in my eyes. This happens if you have a lot of people that are just buying stuff because its so much easier. Remove this thinking that you have to buy things. This mindset killed D3 too. The AH is an option not the prime way to get items. But people don't want to understand. Ofc buying is more efficient but look at this way. Most efficient way to get sex is to pay for it. This whole dating and talking stuff is not efficient at all. But we still do it.
So plz stop crying because some people are able to use a more efficient way to grind currency and Items then you. If you play for trading, well then just do it too. But keep in mind. Every player that is able to spend more time then you will get more items and you don't flame them.
Strange that there is not QQ Post with a topic like "Streamer X sells much more because he has so many followers. This Guy is killing the game because if 5000k viewers just buy items of him I loose X Amount of currency" But I feels this will be the next QQ of the month spam in Forums
Following your logic.
So what's the problem in people paying real money for items or currency then, if you can afford it, clearly it's more efficient. Doesn't affect you, zero influence over your game.
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Posted byDeletedon Mar 31, 2013, 3:31:42 AM
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Following your logic.
So what's the problem in people paying real money for items or currency then, if you can afford it, clearly it's more efficient. Doesn't affect you, zero influence over your game.
Very sound conclusion.
For years i searched for deep truths. A thousand revelations. At the very edge...the ability to think itself dissolves away.Thinking in human language is the problem. Any separation from 'the whole truth' is incomplete.My incomplete concepts may add to your 'whole truth', accept it or think about it
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Posted bySkyCore#2413on Mar 31, 2013, 3:38:17 AM
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flab wrote:
Following your logic.
So what's the problem in people paying real money for items or currency then, if you can afford it, clearly it's more efficient. Doesn't affect you, zero influence over your game.
One is against the ToS, the other one isn't. Aside from that I couldn't care less.
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Posted byastrartea#1627on Mar 31, 2013, 3:46:15 AM
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