The Multi-box Thread: How it ruins the game.

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flab wrote:

Following your logic.

So what's the problem in people paying real money for items or currency then, if you can afford it, clearly it's more efficient. Doesn't affect you, zero influence over your game.

Both would be QQ threads. If someone wants to spend money he will do it. The thing still is you are not forced to do it. And not a big influence on others game too from my point of view. But I am the minority. I want to find/craft things by myself and not just pay for them and with that drastically reduce gametime to to get my perfect stats.

But I am the minority in all games. Yes one of the 4% ME3 players that finished the game on hardest difficulty. So one of the 4% who really beat the game.

I lol'ed.

@OP: I heard all your arguments before, long before actually, maybe you remember:

Jews are too rich, honest german people can´t compete with them.
Jews cannot be outbid, so they run the economy, actually they are the economy, exploiting the german people.
Jews need to be banned from our realms.

And so on and so forth.

The guy making these statements had a silly haircut and a funny beard. One more hint, you might had heard from that person in your history lessons, you just got on par with him.

I have been trough a lot of this kind of disccusions when I was playing Lineage 2 where multiboxing became a real plague, in the end it destroyed the game. The problem is that no matter how accurate are ur arguments and how well u explain how multiboxing destroys games those ppl just won't understand.

I have seen enough topics like this one to notice that for some reason multiboxers juts dont get it. I remember when i did my topics on Lineage forums about multiboxing and how I was attacked by outraged multiboxers that seen nothing wrong with it. This people don't understand the concept of gaming and are just plain lazy or sick to be better that others so they do anything that grants them advantage.

Im sick of this kind of people, and Im sick of multiboxses, they seem to be everywhere those days. I suggest you to do something with them, cose I know what will happen, I have seen it already. Casual players will stop playing, competitive ground will require u to be a multiboxer to be any threat, and economy will collapse, in the end only multiboxers will stay playing solo with their multiboxes and every normal player will just move on, thats what happened to Lineage 2.

I have nothing against multibox, but I think quantity bonus should be reduced from 50% to 16%

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Nyruami wrote:

I lol'ed.

@OP: I heard all your arguments before, long before actually, maybe you remember:

Jews are too rich, honest german people can´t compete with them.
Jews cannot be outbid, so they run the economy, actually they are the economy, exploiting the german people.
Jews need to be banned from our realms.

And so on and so forth.

The guy making these statements had a silly haircut and a funny beard. One more hint, you might had heard from that person in your history lessons, you just got on par with him.

90% correlation.
These people were so 'wrong' that pretty much anything associated with them is now 'wrong'.
And the result of ppl like this is that the double thunderbolt and a certain salute, which are very cool, are now likely to land you in jail.
Once again i reiterate something i said deep deep into this topic; the free market is a broken system. Those with a lot of money, power, and those in the media can exploit the hell out of the system at the expense of others without. Is it their fault? They are just succeeding where others are failing. Blame is just easier than fixing the fundamental issue.
Dont hate the player, hate the game.

Nerf Multi-FARMERS.
remove the bonus iiq/iir from multiplayer.

People will still party for the challenge and fun. Meanwhile, boxers will not have the ridiculous advantage.

multi boxing is just another step in gaming. Adds another "dimension" or playing style to playing a game. Nobody can force a person to limit how many games he has running. I spend allot of my time playing solo. And if I had the ability to run 4 games at once or more fuck ya, why not. Get more loot. Put that loot to use. Start up a clan and gear up people. Get 2 or 3 guys multi boxing, even better.

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Time2Kill wrote:

multi boxing is just another step in gaming. Adds another "dimension" or playing style to playing a game. Nobody can force a person to limit how many games he has running. I spend allot of my time playing solo. And if I had the ability to run 4 games at once or more fuck ya, why not. Get more loot. Put that loot to use. Start up a clan and gear up people. Get 2 or 3 guys multi boxing, even better.

Cheating is just another step in gaming. Adds another "dementia" or playing style to screwing over a gaming community. Nobody can force a person not to cheat. Everyone cheats and if I could, I would too because I want more loot than a legitimate player. Start up a Chinese selling site and rip people off by cheating and reselling loot for real money.

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flab wrote:

There's also this:

"While we haven't disclosed figures, we have banned a lot of accounts since we entered Open Beta. While there are limited ways people can actually cheat (maphacks, botting, input proxying across multiple sessions), these do have high impact on the game economy and we're working on improving our detection for these so that the zero-tolerance policy can be felt across the whole game."

What exactly is input proxying across multiple sessions? I can't be sure, it seems a bit ambiguous.

Some people use 3rd party software to launch several instances of the game on 1 machine. The software captures the keystrokes/mouseclicks and then forwards them to all instances of the game launched. If you make 6 characters using exactly the same build/key layout, you will be controlling all 6 of them at once (they will all move to the same position, use the same skill at the same time, etc), therefore gaining the benefit of IIQ/IIR from multiple players in your party AND not lose any DPS, since all 6 of your guys deal the damage. So with a full party you will be over 300% more efficient than a solo player: every extra player in party - 50% IIQ/IIR/monster health/damage, but since you have 600% extra manpower, you gain the 300% IIQ/IIR AND the monsters are only 50% efficient vs you. And that is what input proxying across multiple sessions is.

Actually this is the way to multibox and the way most people who multibox do it, and it is against the ToS. I don't mind if someone gets a full party of his characters as long as he only uses one to kill stuff, because it actually is more challenging to him. This method not only rewards you MUCH more than solo, but also trivializes the content. Lower the risk, raise the reward.

I honestly do not see the reason why not just remove the IIQ/IIR bonus from extra party members. ARPGs are meant to be farmed solo. Solo should be more efficient because it means you need to build a stronger character, especially in hardcore. Partying is the way to progress safer through areas you are unable to conquer on your own, not to farm better and have an easier time.