The Multi-box Thread: How it ruins the game.

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dezerus wrote:

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flab wrote:

There's also this:

"While we haven't disclosed figures, we have banned a lot of accounts since we entered Open Beta. While there are limited ways people can actually cheat (maphacks, botting, input proxying across multiple sessions), these do have high impact on the game economy and we're working on improving our detection for these so that the zero-tolerance policy can be felt across the whole game."

What exactly is input proxying across multiple sessions? I can't be sure, it seems a bit ambiguous.

Some people use 3rd party software to launch several instances of the game on 1 machine. The software captures the keystrokes/mouseclicks and then forwards them to all instances of the game launched. If you make 6 characters using exactly the same build/key layout, you will be controlling all 6 of them at once (they will all move to the same position, use the same skill at the same time, etc), therefore gaining the benefit of IIQ/IIR from multiple players in your party AND not lose any DPS, since all 6 of your guys deal the damage. So with a full party you will be over 300% more efficient than a solo player: every extra player in party - 50% IIQ/IIR/monster health/damage, but since you have 600% extra manpower, you gain the 300% IIQ/IIR AND the monsters are only 50% efficient vs you. And that is what input proxying across multiple sessions is.

Actually this is the way to multibox and the way most people who multibox do it, and it is against the ToS. I don't mind if someone gets a full party of his characters as long as he only uses one to kill stuff, because it actually is more challenging to him. This method not only rewards you MUCH more than solo, but also trivializes the content. Lower the risk, raise the reward.

I honestly do not see the reason why not just remove the IIQ/IIR bonus from extra party members. ARPGs are meant to be farmed solo. Solo should be more efficient because it means you need to build a stronger character, especially in hardcore. Partying is the way to progress safer through areas you are unable to conquer on your own, not to farm better and have an easier time.

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DatChen wrote:

Bump. ANSWERS GGG! dont go thinking we dont know ur there! silence as usual eh?! dont wana get into bed with your own mess? you allowed multi-boxers and now you dont wana look a fool owning up to the mistake you made!

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SL4Y3R wrote:

Next, all 6 players do not move in the same direction. This is due to the fact that they can collide with one another. This makes multiboxing incredibly difficult. Since once they're out of formation, they must be manually adjusted back into formation. And no. You don't have 600% the manpower, because this would be under the false assumption that they're all using the EXACT same gear.

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SL4Y3R wrote:

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DatChen wrote:

Bump. ANSWERS GGG! dont go thinking we dont know ur there! silence as usual eh?! dont wana get into bed with your own mess? you allowed multi-boxers and now you dont wana look a fool owning up to the mistake you made!

There is still 0 proof multiboxers even exist in any fashion that would make them efficient.

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SL4Y3R wrote:

There is still 0 proof multiboxers even exist in any fashion that would make them efficient.

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SL4Y3R wrote:

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DatChen wrote:

Bump. ANSWERS GGG! dont go thinking we dont know ur there! silence as usual eh?! dont wana get into bed with your own mess? you allowed multi-boxers and now you dont wana look a fool owning up to the mistake you made!

There is still 0 proof multiboxers even exist in any fashion that would make them efficient.

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DatChen wrote:

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SL4Y3R wrote:

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DatChen wrote:

Bump. ANSWERS GGG! dont go thinking we dont know ur there! silence as usual eh?! dont wana get into bed with your own mess? you allowed multi-boxers and now you dont wana look a fool owning up to the mistake you made!

There is still 0 proof multiboxers even exist in any fashion that would make them efficient.

Same as what ShadyC said yet again, prove to me that they are not the cause.

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SkyCore wrote:

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DatChen wrote:

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SL4Y3R wrote:

There is still 0 proof multiboxers even exist in any fashion that would make them efficient.

Same as what ShadyC said yet again, prove to me that they are not the cause.

Prove to us that you are not a pedophile.

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ScrotieMcB wrote:

Something is destroying the Default economy. The effects are real. The question is: what's the cause?

I haven't seen one person provide solid evidence that it's multiboxing or multiloading or whatever-the-fuck-you-wanna-call-the-technique. It could be the case, but it's more than a little speculative.

I haven't seen one person provide solid evidence that it's not multi-whatever-the-fuck. Actually, proving it isn't seems impossible unless the economy was doing just fine; as long as there's economic destruction, it could be some unknown dudes running all kinds of bots with tons of accounts registered, and there's really no way to prove otherwise. Like vampires and La Chupacabra, no matter how unlikely, you can't really disprove them. However, the inability to disprove a point doesn't mean that the point is worth believing in the first place; evidence is still required, and setting the bar at "look at the economy!" is probably too low to consider ourselves intellectually honest.

I think everyone needs to take a step back and think more rationally about this, starting with focusing more on the real issue -- the effects on the economy -- and less on the hypothetical cause du jour.

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ScrotieMcB wrote:

Like vampires and La Chupacabra, no matter how unlikely, you can't really disprove them.

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ScrotieMcB wrote:

blah blah blah blah blah

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1. GGG requires proof to act on.
2. The PoE community is going to freak out regardless of logic
3. the level of spam has increased dramatically in the last few weeks
4. seller sites must have a supply of product to sell
5. multi-farming is the most logical excuse at this point.
6. claiming that it's not a problem is counterproductive since the community is pissed off.