The Multi-box Thread: How it ruins the game.

The whole idea that more players in a zone turns the monsters into item fountains is stupid.
I'd suggest removing the bonuses for multiplayer.
no more iiq/iir/experience
BUT, keep the monster buffs for life and damage.

"WHHHAAAAAAA, that will kill multiplayer!!!"

No, it won't. It will kill multi-FARMING. ie: boxers.
Players who want the challenge of tough monster fights will still team up.
Players who want to party up with friends will still team up.
But players who team farm, legit or boxer, will not have a huge advantage.

Stuff is still going to drop, and it will be hard to get. Just as is should be!

In PoE you have the chance to take crap whites and chance roll a unique. Or you can attempt crafting an insanely good rare. It gives the currency market some real value instead of 4 or 5 abundant uniques that everyone wants.

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Cambob wrote:

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Very insightful. I absolutely agree.

While I understand, that balancing out MP vs. SP is a delicate process (D3 had it all wrong for a long time, maybe still - idc), the way it is now is simply not right.

MP has to be encouraged, but it shouldn't be superior in any way by a huge margin. And that would make MB'ing less efficient as well.

Make it so!

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SL4Y3R wrote:

Shady. Your assumptions about how many orbs are dropping are completely off. Have you ever partied before? Do exalts drop non stop while playing? Do divines? Gcp? No. They don't. From someone who multi loaded a ton in CB, I can personally tell you, you are wrong.

I've done my fair share of partied grinding. And from my experiences... Yeah. Yeah, they kinda do :/

Chaos's happen pretty much every run, several Alchs and even more Fuses as well. I'd say an Exalt once a day given a 3-hour grind period, if not a Divine. GCP's are about 1-3 given the same time frame.






Sucks when you have a 1/6 chance of having these drop for you, though - and even then, you can miss your loot time due to body blocks and/or desync. I've even seen guys pop Ice Walls, although I myself seem to be able to Whirling B. through them.

It's not 1/6.

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Cambob wrote:

The whole idea that more players in a zone turns the monsters into item fountains is stupid.
I'd suggest removing the bonuses for multiplayer.
no more iiq/iir/experience
BUT, keep the monster buffs for life and damage.

"WHHHAAAAAAA, that will kill multiplayer!!!"

No, it won't. It will kill multi-FARMING. ie: boxers.
Players who want the challenge of tough monster fights will still team up.
Players who want to party up with friends will still team up.
But players who team farm, legit or boxer, will not have a huge advantage.

Stuff is still going to drop, and it will be hard to get. Just as is should be!

In PoE you have the chance to take crap whites and chance roll a unique. Or you can attempt crafting an insanely good rare. It gives the currency market some real value instead of 4 or 5 abundant uniques that everyone wants.

Good idea but keep the XP bonus

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ShadyC wrote:

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SL4Y3R wrote:

Shady. Your assumptions about how many orbs are dropping are completely off. Have you ever partied before? Do exalts drop non stop while playing? Do divines? Gcp? No. They don't. From someone who multi loaded a ton in CB, I can personally tell you, you are wrong.

I've done my fair share of partied grinding. And from my experiences... Yeah. Yeah, they kinda do :/

Chaos's happen pretty much every run, several Alchs and even more Fuses as well. I'd say an Exalt once a day given a 3-hour grind period, if not a Divine. GCP's are about 1-3 given the same time frame.






Sucks when you have a 1/6 chance of having these drop for you, though - and even then, you can miss your loot time due to body blocks and/or desync. I've even seen guys pop Ice Walls, although I myself seem to be able to Whirling B. through them.

Every run of what? Ran 1000s of maps. Which have a "more item drop %", NEVER have I seen a chaos every run, several alchs, and fuses. Nor an exalt/divine once a day.

Nonsense.

Not trying to be rude (although I know I'm coming off that way), but yeah. To the person who posted that pic, did it ever occur to you that the individual is most likely a RMT'r, or uses a bottter board? Hence the $ tab.

An interesting thread even for someone who is probably playing less in a week than the true gamer plays in a single day. If there are ways to exploit features of the game they will be used and developers should see to it but there is no easy solution. In addition I think some people are misunderstanding and blaming multiboxing for more than they should.

Deleting currency would complicate trading a lot and efficiently keep all players who plays a little as myself or less out of the game totally. It would not be the multiboxers logging in to face an empty stash, believe me.

Simply banning multiboxing will be an endless struggle in detecting it which probably just isn't worth it for GGG.

Creating specific game servers for similar features would end up in a lot of leagues and most players wouldn't care about the difference between them. The detecting problem would persist to exist.

Nerfing the party bonus to the point where solo play is better would take the base idea of people playing together away. I presume that six (real) players with character builds that complement each other is supposed to be the best way of playing the game but without making partying a must for the very common solo currency farmer. The solution is probably within this balance.

If the dead characters do not count as being present for the loot (since they cant grab their share anyway) it would make multiboxing somewhat harder to use but it would perhaps raise annoance elsewhere in the audiance. Seems to me like a fair thing to change unless I've misunderstood and it is already like this.

Forcing characters to move or attack and being close to the action to affect the reward have been implemented but cannot be pushed in absurdum.

My opinion is that playing solo without multiboxing should be as profiting as to do it with it and hence killing the idea of using the program unless it is for fun (which would make it ok). How this is achieved is both a matter of balance in the loot/exp system and in how inconvenient it is to play the game with 6 characters at once.

Since so many people are playing the game solo in the competitive way that the author describes at least for a considerable portion of the time in the game I agree the multiboxing should be adjusted in some way. Like the situation is now it is the rational way to play and you'd be a fool not to use it.

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SL4Y3R wrote:

Spoiler

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ShadyC wrote:

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SL4Y3R wrote:

Shady. Your assumptions about how many orbs are dropping are completely off. Have you ever partied before? Do exalts drop non stop while playing? Do divines? Gcp? No. They don't. From someone who multi loaded a ton in CB, I can personally tell you, you are wrong.

I've done my fair share of partied grinding. And from my experiences... Yeah. Yeah, they kinda do :/

Chaos's happen pretty much every run, several Alchs and even more Fuses as well. I'd say an Exalt once a day given a 3-hour grind period, if not a Divine. GCP's are about 1-3 given the same time frame.






Sucks when you have a 1/6 chance of having these drop for you, though - and even then, you can miss your loot time due to body blocks and/or desync. I've even seen guys pop Ice Walls, although I myself seem to be able to Whirling B. through them.

Every run of what? Ran 1000s of maps. Which have a "more item drop %", NEVER have I seen a chaos every run, several alchs, and fuses. Nor an exalt/divine once a day.

Nonsense.

Not trying to be rude (although I know I'm coming off that way), but yeah. To the person who posted that pic, did it ever occur to you that the individual is most likely a RMT'r, or uses a bottter board? Hence the $ tab.

Every run of Ledge or Docks.

If nothing else, I can say these drops apply for every two runs at the most. But I'd say it's somewhere around the 1.5 area, really.

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Faendris wrote:

It has nothing to do with luck, I do that on a consistent and regular basis. If I farm for an hour, I will have the equivalent of an exalted. If you take longer than 6 minutes for a docks run then you have to work on your build/itemization. If you get significantly less than one chaos each run, then you have to increase your item quantity (item quality is also nice but not that important). It is really that simple.

Just some pointers to make your life easier: in docks you mainly need fire resistance, other elemental resistances are not really important, chaos can be ignored alltogether. This gives you plenty of room for optmizations. Dual totem helps a lot, since you can loot while your totems do the job. I use run speed increase potions all the time and I have the layout of the docks memorized so that I can tell immediately when to turn back and when to continue in a given direction.

Just to make sure that this is absolutely clear: no luck involved, I do that on a regular and constant basis, every day, every hour.

I have never seen that much bullshit lies in my life ever.Assuming you play 5 hours a day(you probably play more) you make 5 exalteds in a day.That is 35 exalteds in a week.You would have 130+ exalteds in a month.Please show us a pic of your stash having 150 + exalted worth of currency.We are all waiting.

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Rakatarian wrote:

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Faendris wrote:

It has nothing to do with luck, I do that on a consistent and regular basis. If I farm for an hour, I will have the equivalent of an exalted. If you take longer than 6 minutes for a docks run then you have to work on your build/itemization. If you get significantly less than one chaos each run, then you have to increase your item quantity (item quality is also nice but not that important). It is really that simple.

Just some pointers to make your life easier: in docks you mainly need fire resistance, other elemental resistances are not really important, chaos can be ignored alltogether. This gives you plenty of room for optmizations. Dual totem helps a lot, since you can loot while your totems do the job. I use run speed increase potions all the time and I have the layout of the docks memorized so that I can tell immediately when to turn back and when to continue in a given direction.

Just to make sure that this is absolutely clear: no luck involved, I do that on a regular and constant basis, every day, every hour.



Yup