Ugh its hard to explain it in words. basically the RNG is on the multiboxers side because he has 6x the rng..he rolls the dice 6 times and i roll once. thats not equality.
Edit: thats every single mob he kills. Any color mob he gets 6 rolls. and because he can stack his alts with IIR/IIQ it goes threw the ROOF with each roll he does.
You do realize that gearing IIR/IIQ doesn't change anything unless the killing blow is dealt by that character right?
The only boost is the 50% he gets from each character.
How can multiboxing still be affecting the economy to such an extent? Help me understand why the rapid influx of alteration orbs is so devastating.
What happens when you have inflation in any currency? Stuff starts to Cost more, and you can buy less with what you already have.
Multi-Client users are just farming currency / leveling up characters on a faster pace than a normal user would. Thus they have the potential to gain more currency.
More currency means things are easier to buy. This inflates the economy because now people start to ask for more, for the same item. Because people can afford to pay more, for the time being.
I think they need to patch the client ASAP to stop the built in multi-client. Then start banning anyone who uses multi-clienting thereafter. Why they have a built in multi-client is beyond me. This is just bad design.
That would be true if I could reliably get chaos at any reasonable exchange for a currency I can farm. The fact is, multiboing Alt->chaos is a poor return for time.
I'd love to know what kind of change the alt->chaos exchange suffered while the chaos:exalt exchange inflated. It would shed more light on what is going on. Find the point of stress. You need more then just chaos:ex.
You know what? I apologize. This is my fault.
It is admittedly a bad habit of mine to assume other people are understanding a point I have in my head, but am not specifically voicing out.
Multi's don't farm Alt Shards all the way into Chaos trades.
They are flatly getting the Chaos orbs to drop, because they have such ungodly amounts of IIQ. They get Chaos's, GCP's, Exalts, Divines, Regals, GOD knows how many Alchs & Fuses, Regrets & Scours, and holy lord I can't imagine the Chance orbs.
It's not vendor recipes that they farm, and it's not vendor trash that they sell sell sell. It's straight-up orbs dropping everywhere. We're not even talking about the items yet.
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Kissell13 wrote:
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Korvay wrote:
Great thread. And I for one would be ok with a currency wipe if it meant getting the economy back to a stable point again.
Are you %100 percent sure of that, because this is how that will go.
Step 1: Wipe all currency.
Step 2: Boxxer logs back in and starts collecting loot, and you do the same.
Step 3: Boxxer still wins.
Yes. But it cuts their gains by a large percentage, because dumping the currency into its intended use of crafting will let RNG even things out.
If you take a guy with 20 Chaos in saved up currency and a guy with 600 Chaos in saved up currency, and let's say... that crafting all of it and gaining the items they get cutz their wealth by... 80%...
We now got a legit player who lost out on 16 Chaos (4 remaining), and a multi who lost out on 480 Chaos (120 remaining).
That's a gap that can be filled a LOT easier, now that everyone is left with legitimate play ahead of themselves.
Ugh its hard to explain it in words. basically the RNG is on the multiboxers side because he has 6x the rng..he rolls the dice 6 times and i roll once. thats not equality.
Edit: thats every single mob he kills. Any color mob he gets 6 rolls. and because he can stack his alts with IIR/IIQ it goes threw the ROOF with each roll he does.
You do realize that gearing IIR/IIQ doesn't change anything unless the killing blow is dealt by that character right?
The only boost is the 50% he gets from each character.
Good thing there's Culling Strike, right?
In reality, multi-box profit is easier than you thought, because you only need to gear one guy with the IIQ. In fact, the others can be pure damage, but you toss one jackass all the IIQ with a Culling Strike skill.
I have no idea the number of boxxer accounts in POE. Blizzard said that in WOW that less that 1% of its population had multiple accounts. Going with the theory that these people have such an advantage that this 1% ends up with 95% of the wealth. Now wait for it, cuz here comes the truly scary part.......look around. Look at the economics of your home country, and while this may not apply to everyone in all countries, its definatly true here in the USA. 1% of the American populations controls 95% of the wealth. If people feel so strongly again boxxing, its time to wake up and see how truly screwed things have become for us. Time for a change, though I havent the foggiest how to to such a thing.
And thanks to the awesome loot system, they don't even have to bother with switching between the characters to gather the loot.
Oh my, in what a fine world we live <3
... if one is a multi boxer, that is :P
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Kissell13 wrote:
Time for a change, though I havent the foggiest how to to such a thing.
Welcome to the "free" world, that is called the Western civilization.
Careful with that "Free world" thinking hehe. Apparantly its now illegal to buy large pops in New York. Ahh taste all our wonderful freedoms running down the drain. The founders of our country would crawl out of their graves, and piss on our so call govt today
Careful with that "Free world" thinking hehe. Apparantly its now illegal to buy large pops in New York. Ahh taste all our wonderful freedoms running down the drain. The founders of our country would crawl out of their graves, and piss on our so call govt today
Ah, don't listen to me. I might just get grumpy (and I am 29 already, after all!).
I just don't get why the most disgusting aspect of society has to make it's way into each and every game. It's a game, a place for fun. We could do so much better in such an environment.
But people seem to like it, so who am I to talk it down?
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Careful with that "Free world" thinking hehe. Apparantly its now illegal to buy large pops in New York. Ahh taste all our wonderful freedoms running down the drain. The founders of our country would crawl out of their graves, and piss on our so call govt today
Ah, don't listen to me. I might just get grumpy (and I am 29 already, after all!).
I just don't get why the most disgusting aspect of society has to make it's way into each and every game. It's a game, a place for fun. We could do so much better in such an environment.
But people seem to like it, so who am I to talk it down?
Yeah im just foolin...this are jacked though. ANd you are correct. Its a game and fun, and since there truly is no real competition xcept in races, then it truly matters not that people are boxxing. Sure they got more loot and better eq, but I tell ya what. I have had 0 issues on 4 different builds on 4 different toons with mid level cheap gear. If you bought everything or found everyting you want right away, what incentive is there to keep playin.
I just don't get why the most disgusting aspect of society has to make it's way into each and every game. It's a game, a place for fun. We could do so much better in such an environment.
But people seem to like it, so who am I to talk it down?
Greed
greed for power, greed for money, greed for controle, greed for satisfaction
overall i think the coreaspect is always a form of greed
I just don't get why the most disgusting aspect of society has to make it's way into each and every game. It's a game, a place for fun. We could do so much better in such an environment.
But people seem to like it, so who am I to talk it down?
Greed
greed for power, greed for money, greed for controle, greed for satisfaction
overall i think the coreaspect is always a form of greed
Game stuff though, Im not jealous of anyones in game riches. THey are in game and have little to no true value for the %99 of the population that are selling the stuf for real cash
