Please Remove 10% Exp Loss on Death

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Orbaal wrote:

Spoiler

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Angry_Casual wrote:

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Orbaal wrote:

I doubt this will result in a better experience because if you severely limit portals to the point where remaining portals are actually meaningful (right now 6 portals is more than plenty and in no way a limitation), you might witness even more players not responding to trades because they cant afford to "waste" a portal on trade.(...)

I am a little bothered by the idea that it didn't even cross your mind that portals could simply be decorrelated from trips to the hideout.
This is part of why you get so much flak : it often feels like pro-penalty people are on the lookout for any minor flaw in suggested alternative penalties so they can diss them to keep the current one.

I didnt diss him though.
I was simply expressing my thoughts and thats it.

What you are somewhat proposing is changing the way portals work. You didnt say it that way, but to me it sounds like the player should be able to use a portal (for trades and stuff) without consuming a portal.
How would the game know this? Would like to have a popup each time you are using a portal where you get to chose what you want to do and that results in a consumed or not consumed portal?

This is exactly what I meant, when I said I have yet to read a suggestion that doesnt need a lot of work and time. Time Id like to see the devs spending on more important issues.

There is actually no need to change how portals work IF TenentGGG implemented the mythical "asynchronous trading" feature...

As I said before, personally, I would still want to see them move the death EXP penalty more towards the content ran, as that should also come with a proper balance of difficulty regarding the end game encounters.

Even more so because we know they are capable of such a feature, as Simulacrum perfectly showed they can offer GREAT EXP WHILE LINKING IT TO GREAT DIFFICULTY...

Please have your hopes toned down regarding "devs spending time on more important issues", as we all know their implementation of MANDATORY GFX like "always on" shadows or bloom, are such a "boom" to technical optimizations, and let's not even start other avenues like trading or the forbidden "melee" topic... Last time they went "bonkers" about PS4/XBOX, heck even the PoE mobile, versions with that "spent time"... "Important issues", right? /s

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sofocle10000 wrote:

There is actually no need to change how portals work IF TenentGGG implemented the mythical "asynchronous trading" feature...

Lol yeah I wouldnt hold my breath on that one... xD
When did they start talking about this feature? Shortly after lab was introduced or something like that? Basically years ago and we never got an update, so I guess its not happening.

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sofocle10000 wrote:

As I said before, personally, I would still want to see them move the death EXP penalty more towards the content ran, as that should also come with a proper balance of difficulty regarding the end game encounters.

Even more so because we know they are capable of such a feature, as Simulacrum perfectly showed they can offer GREAT EXP WHILE LINKING IT TO GREAT DIFFICULTY...

Sounds good. I´ll admit that and also challenge it at the same time.
How do you measure difficulty? Just the maptier or some other arbitrary number?
"Warning: This content is difficulty 9000 - brace yourselves" <- like that?

Or do you imagine a more complex system, taking your build into account versus the content you are facing? Which would be great and maybe even doable - question is how long would it take to make it work and is really worth the time & effort?

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Angry_Casual wrote:

You mean, you don't see how the game could simply provide a single portal per player (accessible only to that player) in the party when the map's put into the device, then only remove the portal on character death?

Id be down for that. Only one portal for each player, no matter what.
You die, you lose everything in that map. Thats fine by me.

That said: I guarantee you a whole bunch of players would hate it for whatever reason and create the same sort of threads we have right now.
You might be happy then but plenty players wont. All you achieve is turning the table. Now you dont get to complain anymore, but you´ll take flak for defending a feature you like instead just like I do right now.

So what did you really achieve in the end and was it worth the time investment from a devs perspective, if all you achieved is a different way of complaining?

Example: "I just died right at the portal to [whatever] and lost my only T16! This is BS, I want my map back, it wasnt my fault. Why cant we have more portals!11!"

or

"I just got fried by Sirus "Death laser" and lost the entire encounter!
Now I have to farm [insert inflated number] maps to get another shot - thats so BS!"

And so on

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Angry_Casual wrote:

And who are you to decide how much work and time a specific suggestion takes?

Basically, any change takes some time to implement, so you'll only have to say it's too much work to say it's not a good enough solution.

Im just another game dev and I had to handle stuff like this plenty times.
So I do have a rough idea what amount of time it might take and what kind of BS you have to expect (like side effects), how long it takes to iron out teething issues and how mad gamers can get, if devs fail to deliver because they overlooked something and its just not working out.
Been there, done that.

Only relevant difference is: I dont know GGGs code nor engine which might already render your or my or anyone elses suggestions moot

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Orbaal wrote:

Spoiler

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sofocle10000 wrote:

There is actually no need to change how portals work IF TenentGGG implemented the mythical "asynchronous trading" feature...

Lol yeah I wouldnt hold my breath on that one... xD
When did they start talking about this feature? Shortly after lab was introduced or something like that? Basically years ago and we never got an update, so I guess its not happening.

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sofocle10000 wrote:

As I said before, personally, I would still want to see them move the death EXP penalty more towards the content ran, as that should also come with a proper balance of difficulty regarding the end game encounters.

Even more so because we know they are capable of such a feature, as Simulacrum perfectly showed they can offer GREAT EXP WHILE LINKING IT TO GREAT DIFFICULTY...

Sounds good. I´ll admit that and also challenge it at the same time.
How do you measure difficulty? Just the maptier or some other arbitrary number?
"Warning: This content is difficulty 9000 - brace yourselves" <- like that?

Or do you imagine a more complex system, taking your build into account versus the content you are facing? Which would be great and maybe even doable - question is how long would it take to make it work and is really worth the time & effort?

Heh, asynchronous trading was a promise long before the "Labyrinth" was even dreamt by TencentGGG.

Ideally, TencentGGG would have scaled their content to level 100 already.

The next best thing would be to have content scale as in Delve, while also granting more EXP for more difficulty.

A more complex system that accounts for your characters weak and peak points would be a welcomed challenge, like at least you should be more rewarded for running low regen maps on RF char, or no leech on a heavily focused on leach char...

Frankly, I don't see TencentGGG implementing that one until PoE 3 the earliest "because reasons"...

Long time ago, PoE was "sold" on the premise of being the best sandbox hardcore ARPG, and it devolved from that to the current chimera, but it can always get back to it's roots and amaze us..

If the death penality never existed, would anyone in this game ever open up a topic like:

"We need to loose exp when we die and here is why."

or

"Im tired of dying while the only thing i loose is the current encounter i had, I need to loose exp too"

"Implementing a exp penality would make this game harder, something i rly need!"

"harder daddy!"

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sofocle10000 wrote:

Long time ago, PoE was "sold" on the premise of being the best sandbox hardcore ARPG, and it devolved from that to the current chimera, but it can always get back to it's roots and amaze us..

I guess you are referring to 1click screenclear playstyles?

If so, pls ask yourself what else did you expect, given the way this game and GGG works.

As long as GGG keeps adding higher maptiers or tougher bosses, they will also have to provide the tools to take this content on.
These tools have to be good enough to fight a boss sporting a 100 million hp pool and thats not even an exaggeration anymore.

Once you acquired this dmg output no regular content can challenge you anymore, because you´ll just delete it before it gets to act - the speed at which you will delete this sort of content only depends on your coverage and mobility at that point.
Also keep in mind: While mapping you can mindlessly spam your flasks and you will benefit from various "killed recently" buffs which in total makes up about half of your dmg and defense.

So you are fighting trash mobs with a 100k hp pool with all your buffs up all the time using a build that can take on a 100 million hp boss without having those buffs up all the time.
Ofc its not challenging. Its a scaling issue and to be fair I have no idea how to solve that - without having to rebalance damn near everything in this game.

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Tolerantzdestr0yer wrote:

If the death penality never existed, would anyone in this game ever open up a topic like:

"We need to loose exp when we die and here is why."

No. If thats what I want and need to enjoy a game, Id look for a game offering this rather than demanding to change a game with an already established player base around the existing content/features.
If I cant find what I need, I´ll try the closet thing there is and if I dont like it for whatever reason, I´ll quit and do something else.
If I like it enough to make sacrifices and/or compromises I´ll do that.


Why would I force my preferences on others and demand stuff?
Which is exactly what you are doing. It doesnt matter to me how you justify it or what improvements you hope to get out of it.
I take issue with this "I demand the world to change to my liking" attitude, while ignoring the fact that whatever you are liking is guaranteed to piss off many others and thus achieving nothing but making you happy at the expense of others.
Whats stopping them then to demand the reversal of whatever has been changed and the whole circle starts over again.
Whats the point?

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Orbaal wrote:

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Tolerantzdestr0yer wrote:

If the death penality never existed, would anyone in this game ever open up a topic like:

"We need to loose exp when we die and here is why."

No. If thats what I want and need to enjoy a game, Id look for a game offering this rather than demanding to change a game with an already established player base around the existing content/features.
If I cant find what I need, I´ll try the closet thing there is and if I dont like it for whatever reason, I´ll quit and do something else.
If I like it enough to make sacrifices and/or compromises I´ll do that.


Why would I force my preferences on others and demand stuff?
Which is exactly what you are doing. It doesnt matter to me how you justify it or what improvements you hope to get out of it.
I take issue with this "I demand the world to change to my liking" attitude, while ignoring the fact that whatever you are liking is guaranteed to piss off many others and thus achieving nothing but making you happy at the expense of others.
Whats stopping them then to demand the reversal of whatever has been changed and the whole circle starts over again.
Whats the point?

Look at the name of this forum

you could ve saved some time because everytime i see someone making this "force your views upon others" argument i wonder how he thinks feedback and suggestions work

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Tolerantzdestr0yer wrote:

Look at the name of this forum

you could ve saved some time because everytime i see someone making this "force your views upon others" argument i wonder how he thinks feedback and suggestions work

Are we now playing semantics?

I was talking about demands. Demands arent suggestions nor feedback - but demands.

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Orbaal wrote:

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Tolerantzdestr0yer wrote:

Look at the name of this forum

you could ve saved some time because everytime i see someone making this "force your views upon others" argument i wonder how he thinks feedback and suggestions work

Are we now playing semantics?

I was talking about demands. Demands arent suggestions nor feedback - but demands.

demands are just suggestions forced upon someone :^)