Looks like a lot of players don't want to play tower defence.

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cetvxs wrote:
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girng wrote:
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Destructodave wrote:

And I'd like to know where you think so many people hear about PoE and yet dont hear about/use it through Steam. I imagine the numbers of new players not using Steam is very small, while there are some old guard like me who had accounts before the Steam release who didnt merge. But we are the minority of players. Thats not even including the ones who did merge back then.


Not everyone uses steam, and the non-steam users are definitely not the minority.


How do you know this?


How do you know that everyone uses steam and the people who are not, are the minority?
"Path of Exile's engine is currently modern, lean and fast." - Chris Wilson, September 19th, 2019

"It looks like we broke something with 3.10.0. We don't know what it is yet." - Bex, March 16th, 2020
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girng wrote:
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cetvxs wrote:


How do you know this?


How do you know that everyone uses steam and the people who are not, are the minority?


I never explicitly stated with confidence which holds the player majority. You did.

I merely expressed Steam holds a strong population influence over Poe.

The burden of proof is on you. Show the numbers to juxtapose to Steam or accept that you're throwing out blind statements. It's as simple as that.

Your empirically blind statements gives my eyes hyperAIDS.
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xMustard wrote:
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Arrowneous wrote:
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xMustard wrote:
you made one mistake though....

looking at steam charts.

oh well, they're posted at least 4 times per league, literally regardless of how successful or not the league is. i like it, im having my fun. don't really care about anyone else

You tell me where the real total players stats are available and I'd be happy to use that instead of Steam Charts but I don't think GGG makes them available.


my point is, it isn't about numbers. it isn't about population. that doesn't indicate anything except how many people are playing. which again, doesn't really say much.

its like you think the only variable is the league mechanic and so if numbers are lower than other league mechanics that must mean its trash!

so shortsighted i can't shake my head enough without passing out


I know SSF is around now, but this game is still heavily economy oriented. A dip in the playerbase can be felt and be detrimental to the enjoyment of the league.

An SSF player wont feel it, and your right, your enjoyment of the game as a single player experience wont be affected, but those who still play it more typically with trading and heavy economic focus, is going to feel a dead league.

And yes, the league mechanic is a pretty good indicator of how a league fares. Its no coincidence some of the higher playerbase leagues, had the better mechanics, and vice versa.

Its a pretty weak league mechanic.
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World of warcraft Classic, Borderlands 3, School season starting.

And the average numbers are bang on for September 2018


This seems kinda common sense imo.

But to be fair, nobody knows the why. There's just as much proof of this as there is "ermagherd poe is ending TD league worst eva".

Some salty players here trying to use steam numbers as proof when it could be all the things above. Get some real data to back up your claim, not this incredibly weak argument. "Everyone is playing WoW Classic" is supported just as equally as "players don't want to play TD" by Steam numbers.
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cetvxs wrote:
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girng wrote:
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cetvxs wrote:


How do you know this?


How do you know that everyone uses steam and the people who are not, are the minority?


I never explicitly stated with confidence which holds the player majority. You did.

I merely expressed Steam holds a strong population influence over Poe.

The burden of proof is on you. Show the numbers to juxtapose to Steam or accept that you're throwing out blind statements. It's as simple as that.

Your empirically blind statements gives my eyes hyperAIDS.


GGG already released the percentages, non-steam users are the majority.

"Your empirically blind statements gives my eyes hyperAIDS."

Then maybe you shouldn't reply to me?
"Path of Exile's engine is currently modern, lean and fast." - Chris Wilson, September 19th, 2019

"It looks like we broke something with 3.10.0. We don't know what it is yet." - Bex, March 16th, 2020
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Destructodave wrote:
And yes, the league mechanic is a pretty good indicator of how a league fares. Its no coincidence some of the higher playerbase leagues, had the better mechanics, and vice versa.

Its a pretty weak league mechanic.


its a factor. one of many.
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hekate1 wrote:
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World of warcraft Classic, Borderlands 3, School season starting.

And the average numbers are bang on for September 2018


This seems kinda common sense imo.

But to be fair, nobody knows the why. There's just as much proof of this as there is "ermagherd poe is ending TD league worst eva".

Some salty players here trying to use steam numbers as proof when it could be all the things above. Get some real data to back up your claim, not this incredibly weak argument. "Everyone is playing WoW Classic" is supported just as equally as "players don't want to play TD" by Steam numbers.


All of it plays a part. But this is a weak league mechanic. I dont know what people gain from defending GGG every single bad league. Is PoE gonna die because it had a bad league? No. Is every league mechanic htat GGG releases top of the line good? No. Its almost expected the mechanic after a good league is gonna be trash. So I dont really know why so many people rush to defend every mediocre league released. Every bad league you got people complaining on the forums, then you have the white-knights telling them they dont know what good gaming is. Its like clockwork.

I accept its a bad league mechanic, I accept thats part of the reason the league sucks and has less players. I also accept their are outside forces. However, ask yourself if this was a legacy league or something akin to Delve, would the playerbase be this low just because of other games releasing? I doubt it. I imagine weak gameplay is a more deciding factor than outside influence. How much we dont know, but Blight follows the same trend as basically every league before it; weak, bland, buggy mechanic? Lower playerbase league.

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At least it's more involved than that dumpster Legion league.

What a remarkable gameplay mechanic that was.
My wife and I didn't play this league because of trade.

Well, she doesn't care about trade to be honest, but we often play together and she has bought more supporter packs then I have in the past year. And since I stopped playing, so did she.

If it were just the league mechanic, more people would have at least tried it out. I would bet there is also a significant portion that didn't show up because they are playing other games (wow classic and borderlands 3) or are just sick of terrible trade, in a trading league.

That being said, if other games of different genres caused that big of a drop (down to 75k?!) that speaks volumes about player retention and more underlying problems that cause players to so easily abandon a favorite title than simply a league mechanic. These people didn't quit because of a league mechanic, they didn't even show up.
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girng wrote:
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Destructodave wrote:


Steam Charts are more than fine and probably more indicative of overall playerbase than anything else. Theres not some magical giant playerbase hiding out there from the old times who never linked to Steam, and most new players are going to find out and use PoE through Steam.

I'd be willing to bet the majority of the playerbase is through Steam. So if steam numbers are down, so is the playerbase. Hell, you dont even need Steam to tell you this league is down. If you played enough of them, you can feel it.


Wrong. Steam charts are garbage and don't reflective the playerbase at all. Especially considering the majority of players hate the steam client and will vehemently not use it. Especially with the negatives associated with it for PoE (patching issues, can't pre-dl expansion torrent, etc).


Girng.. you sound *special*

Steam charts are absolutely a valuable metric that should be looked at. You can be sure if the steam numbers have dropped that much, then so have the standalone client users.

You can bet GGG are looking into these numbers with concern as well. But, if you like, you can post some hard numbers of your own.

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