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There are 2 very huge reasons why I consider SSF a waste of time and will never play it. It restricts you, this is why when someone says how good it is that you finally keep your orbs for crafting instead of trading I have to scoff.
1) I like stat stacking builds, intelligence and strength(haven't done a dexterity based one so far). Thing is they need specific items, the most prominent one being Shaper's Touch, which is fairly cheap even in the beginning of a league. So I either spend some chaos orbs to trade for it or I spend weeks on a SSF build I might not even like until it is good enough to kill Shaper and THEN I can do what I want.
2) So you got 200 regrets, 1/7 alluring bounty and a shavs with nothing else to support it(shavs does require specific other items to make it work). Now what? I know in the future you may take advantage of these but its not an immediate value the way trade league works. These things are gotta sit dead in the stash until some day they become useful. Dead drops.
Mind you I have no problem with SSF existing, I have problem with people preaching how good it is and how I should play it.
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Posted byJohny_Snow#4778on Aug 1, 2019, 1:03:57 AM
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Little exercise of "what if".
What if SSF/ SSFhc would become the only modes of gameplay?
Game dead in 3 months, 4 tops. Support drops by 90% tencent packs shop.
So SSF vegans, please stop. We get it you're the best at this game, hats off. Now go away.
Second-class poe gamer
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Posted bypr13st#1040on Aug 1, 2019, 1:53:09 AM
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I would say hardcore is the real deal, not SSF. Also, i like interacting with people.
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Posted byDownfall89#2050on Aug 1, 2019, 5:55:11 AM
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So that raises the question: are the top SSFHCers better PoE players than the top non-? To borrow someone else's favourite little exaggeration, absolutely. They are doing the same thing with less. Their understanding of the game *has* to be superior to that of someone who has that extra resource on hand. Even if they're doing nothing but playing the cheesiest, lamest meta build, they're still doing it sans the trade crutch. Or, looking at it another way, they're doing it with the SSF weights tied to their legs.
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It's like someone who has to steal bread to eat vs. someone who is stealing bread for the thrill of it. The former typically is going to be much more deft at it than the ladder since the ladder just doesn't have to.
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Posted bybwam#7637on Aug 1, 2019, 8:08:01 AM
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Also, i like interacting with people.
That's like so 2018, maaan!
Sometimes, just sometimes, you should really consider adapting to the world, instead of demanding that the world adapts to you.
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Posted byPhrazz#3529on Aug 1, 2019, 8:09:10 AM
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bwam wrote:
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鬼殺し wrote:
So that raises the question: are the top SSFHCers better PoE players than the top non-? To borrow someone else's favourite little exaggeration, absolutely. They are doing the same thing with less. Their understanding of the game *has* to be superior to that of someone who has that extra resource on hand. Even if they're doing nothing but playing the cheesiest, lamest meta build, they're still doing it sans the trade crutch. Or, looking at it another way, they're doing it with the SSF weights tied to their legs.
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It's like someone who has to steal bread to eat vs. someone who is stealing bread for the thrill of it. The former typically is going to be much more deft at it than the ladder since the ladder just doesn't have to.
But where's he climbing to?
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Posted byMythreindeer#6842on Aug 1, 2019, 8:13:10 AM
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Mythreindeer wrote:
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bwam wrote:
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鬼殺し wrote:
So that raises the question: are the top SSFHCers better PoE players than the top non-? To borrow someone else's favourite little exaggeration, absolutely. They are doing the same thing with less. Their understanding of the game *has* to be superior to that of someone who has that extra resource on hand. Even if they're doing nothing but playing the cheesiest, lamest meta build, they're still doing it sans the trade crutch. Or, looking at it another way, they're doing it with the SSF weights tied to their legs.
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It's like someone who has to steal bread to eat vs. someone who is stealing bread for the thrill of it. The former typically is going to be much more deft at it than the ladder since the ladder just doesn't have to.
But where's he climbing to?
Woops, latter. hehe. Early morning for me
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Posted bybwam#7637on Aug 1, 2019, 8:23:21 AM
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Anonymous1749704 wrote:
The only way I'll ever bother to waste time on SSF is if PoE gets an offline mode.
Why, so you can hack the client?
So that I can be sure no server side desync/connection issues can ever again be responsible for a single death of mine.
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But getting this back on track, we have an unfortunate division here, since Fruz is over in the other SSF vs Trade thread (relegated to feedback for some mysterious reason) making the very good point that SSFHCers beat non-SSF HCers to 100 regularly.
This seems counter-intuitive given that trading for items should make you more powerful than just using whatever you find, i.e. able to race through challenging content quicker, ergo harvesting more experience per hour. BUT if you remember that trading is potentially time-consuming in itself, it can in fact be a hindrance on progress. Especially if you are so adept at the Skilldrasil, at skill combinations and Ascendancies, at boss patterns, that you can operate at a consistently high speed all of the time while people who trade might operate at a faster speed but only some of the time. As I said in that other thread, it brings to mind the tortoise and the hare.
So that raises the question: are the top SSFHCers better PoE players than the top non-? To borrow someone else's favourite little exaggeration, absolutely. They are doing the same thing with less. Their understanding of the game *has* to be superior to that of someone who has that extra resource on hand. Even if they're doing nothing but playing the cheesiest, lamest meta build, they're still doing it sans the trade crutch. Or, looking at it another way, they're doing it with the SSF weights tied to their legs.
But this simplifies it too much, because it implies that the world's top SSFHCer would be better in non-SSF, and that's not necessarily true either. They might be so attuned to SSF that non-SSF would be too different. SSF isn't just a handicap in that regard. You don't suddenly take the weights off and jump over walls like in the kung fu movies. It's more like going from Earth's gravity to Mars'. Sure, you're 'lighter' but you probably still can't move as well without a lot of training. It all comes down to what you're used to and how you've adapted to that.
This is... so dumb. You completely neglect the fact that top lvl 100 racers all got their teams/guilds doing their bidding for them. This includes trading. Any factor of skill doesn't make up for the gap that a team makes between SSF and non-SSF.
If a top-tier racer cloned himself and played both SSFHC and HC with a team simultaneously, which of him do you think would reach lvl 100 faster?
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I saw Chris mention chain text generators in something one time. I've been loving the hell out of them. I just got this line I found pretty fucking hilarious when doing the trade manifesto. It was on order 10.
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This system was intended so that players could choose to play alone, but would receive no recognition and had no way of proving that they had done so. Anyone could accuse them of having traded, invalidating their accomplishments.
It looks so legit, I got a good laugh out of it. Need a new signature, cuz name change. I dunno though. I guess this seems fine. Yeah, this is good.
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Posted byLV9999Majin#9565on Aug 1, 2019, 9:31:00 AM
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Anonymous1749704 wrote:
The only way I'll ever bother to waste time on SSF is if PoE gets an offline mode.
Why, so you can hack the client?
So that I can be sure no server side desync/connection issues can ever again be responsible for a single death of mine.
What does desync/connections issues have to do with SSF?
Dying in a trade league is different how?
~ Please separate the PoE1 and PoE2 forums.
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Posted byDoubleU#7266on Aug 1, 2019, 10:08:30 AM
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