Lab is terrible

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Kulze wrote:

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MrsDeath_ wrote:

May i see the sources on this?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sensory_overload

Have fun, it's a good introduction to the topic, it's a bit bigger though then Wikipedia lists it.
The main studies listed there are about sensory overload regarding autism, as well as sensory overload regarding marketing strategies in the modern society.
The topic spans a far larger area though, they aren't sourced there on the other hand, you'll find a few (more or less well done ones) studies about sensory overload in different areas.

Basically sensory overload happens automatically if our brain gets more information then it can comfortably handle in the short amount of time. Be it via large amounts of visual input, several people speaking to you at the same time, overlaying layers of sensation which our brain isn't well fitted to process and so on.

PoE provides visual overload in that regard. You're likely to see something but your brain being unable to actively 'register' it to block out the abundance of stimuli, hence you'll die more often and it's harder to discern the source of what's happening.

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MrsDeath_ wrote:

lab is very easy.
1- if u have the learning abilities of a child u can pass it with any character
2- it takes 5 min each. if you think doing lab once a character is time consuming, you probably havent even passed the white maps.
3- takes 5 min each. i can see why you are not that good at defining the lab mechanic and why you fail.
4- even if u play ssf it shouldnt take you more than a day's playtime to reach uber lab. if it does again thats a problem needs to be self questioned.
solution:a = get better at learning. u cant go far with this mentality kid.
b = stop trying to make this game easier and shittier for the rest of us
gl. u r gonna need it.

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MrsDeath_ wrote:

U know we play it for escapism right ?
if you are sick and that sickness will irritate you whenever you play a game maybe you shouldnt play the game in the first place.
especially poe. that sounds like a real disorder and if you have that my first advice would be stay the f away from PoE.
lab is pretty tame when it comes to action per second. there are parts of this game like delve even makes me go crazy when trying to dodge shit.
i dont wanna shame anyone for having this disorder and wants to play games but you cant fit your game into that little hole which is good for everyone. gotta keep it broad.

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Kulze wrote:

Millar is right though, you sound - sorry to word it like that, no offence - like a major dick-hat when formulating it like that. The issue isn't about people not being 'gut', it's about the overall setup of how lab is done.
What you're doing is just pure elitism, shoving the issues to parts which are relevant for some but not the major concern.

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Kulze wrote:

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MrsDeath_ wrote:

U know we play it for escapism right ?
if you are sick and that sickness will irritate you whenever you play a game maybe you shouldnt play the game in the first place.
especially poe. that sounds like a real disorder and if you have that my first advice would be stay the f away from PoE.
lab is pretty tame when it comes to action per second. there are parts of this game like delve even makes me go crazy when trying to dodge shit.
i dont wanna shame anyone for having this disorder and wants to play games but you cant fit your game into that little hole which is good for everyone. gotta keep it broad.

Once again you have lacked to read it, otherwise this answer wouldn't have come.

Read up on the topic, then talk again, sensory overload is relevant for every person.
The biggest concerns for that are in traffic, there were several talks about those happening in games as well and how to handle it.

Also this issue is a general one, lab is definitely one where it happens a lot less though.

Also it's not a disorder, it just gets a lot more visible IF you got autism, which 99,999% of players don't have.

Once again, get to know the topic first.

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MrsDeath_ wrote:

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Millar is right though, you sound - sorry to word it like that, no offence - like a major dick-hat when formulating it like that. The issue isn't about people not being 'gut', it's about the overall setup of how lab is done.
What you're doing is just pure elitism, shoving the issues to parts which are relevant for some but not the major concern.

How do you explain quite a lot of people who are able to beat shaper and uber-elder to say 'lab is shite' otherwise? Clearly they are 'gut' enough for it, they just have a dislike for some reason towards it.
Those are btw. more then those loving the content, at least as much as I've experienced by now, might be wrong there.

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MrsDeath_ wrote:

in order to do what you want the lore and many things built on lab has to be changed + you need another system replacing to achieve ascendancy points. im sorry but i dont see any core changes being made at this scale. i cant look at this matter from a casual , lab hating person's point of view because i always consider first a developer's side then how this changes can effect the whole game.
i cant see any game developer taking this risk. people might quit because how bad lab is but more will stay because how fitting it is to the story.

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MrsDeath_ wrote:

sensory overload; complication, disease whatever you call it there will always be a quit button. when you feel sick just give it a rest. just dont bother me with it.

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Kulze wrote:

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MrsDeath_ wrote:

in order to do what you want the lore and many things built on lab has to be changed + you need another system replacing to achieve ascendancy points. im sorry but i dont see any core changes being made at this scale. i cant look at this matter from a casual , lab hating person's point of view because i always consider first a developer's side then how this changes can effect the whole game.
i cant see any game developer taking this risk. people might quit because how bad lab is but more will stay because how fitting it is to the story.

That's true, it's interlocked with the story... in a very very minor way.
Also, ask around what the story of PoE is and have the 'common' player answer it. I do care for lore, hence why I also know that this change wouldn't affect it in a major way.

Solution:
Have a proper boss-fight with several phases when unlocking lab. After that fight you're unlocking the 'actual' lab, as well as the ascendancy. Proceed through the rest as usual. No major lore-problems, Izary guards both the ability to Ascend and to get the hands on the enchantment.

A little bit of re-writing a few lines along the line and it's all working out fine. Just needed a very little amount of creativity to solve.

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robmafia wrote:

lolz @ "sensory overload" - in the LAB ONLY.

that's right, folks. the area with the lowest mob density.

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MrsDeath_ wrote:

you are missing out how to remove the lab from being mendatory to being optional. while doing that you gotta keep it balanced and rewrite the whole lab storyline. you cant just remove 1 or 2 aspects of the lab and seperate them, put in a blender and serve it like an uncooked omelet.

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MrsDeath_ wrote:

he is just clinging onto that like it effects the lab but unfortunately it does not in the smallest bit.