Time Capsule from PoE Closed Beta -- a classic PoE vs D3 thread circa 2012

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kodr wrote:

Well, the barb is obviously a super human, he already beat Diablo in Diablo 2 ^^;

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Disillusioned wrote:

I personally also enjoyed the pacing in D1 when compared to D2. The whole feeling of being a very lightly equipped Warrior who soon realizes that he's in way over his head appeals to me more than the latters form of having you mowing down minions of Hell in short order. You had to be careful in D1, had to use environmental awareness such as narrow corridors and doorways to thin out numbers. Being surrounded in D1 was forbidden and often resulted in death.

The whole, "you use what you find" also appealed to me in a single-player/immersion factor. As mentioned, the reason why D1 worked (in my opinion) better than D2 in terms of atmosphere is because of how it was all presented.

And as it turns out, the more of a glimmer you turn out to be to the town the more corrupt and insane you become from seeing all these sights and hearing these sounds. Soon you're no longer fighting in rags and wooden shields but impressive chain and plate with iron, yet also meeting increasingly bizarre and eldritch creatures.

That's just how I always saw the story of D1 unfold as I played it. One of my favourite little "quests" is the Slain Hero one in the Caves. It really sends in that whole thought that you're not going to win. That hopelessness and doubt you yourself experience when you enter a room full of succubi, advocates, black knights, balrogs and the like is what makes D1 so much more compelling on a story-telling scale. You have to be methodical and clever with how you dispose of these demons or you end up like your friend.

And that is why I love a game like Demon's Souls or Dark Souls. You automatically feel like you're in WAY over your head and you're either going to get extremely lucky or you're going to be another body strapped to a burning Cross.

Not everybody can enjoy or see that sort of stuff being fun but I suppose that is why I miss the old Blizzard that really innovated us in a time where Dooms and Quakes were all over our computers with something that wasn't just, "pick up the rocket launcher and go ballistic."

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Disillusioned wrote:

I personally also enjoyed the pacing in D1 when compared to D2. The whole feeling of being a very lightly equipped Warrior who soon realizes that he's in way over his head appeals to me more than the latters form of having you mowing down minions of Hell in short order. You had to be careful in D1, had to use environmental awareness such as narrow corridors and doorways to thin out numbers. Being surrounded in D1 was forbidden and often resulted in death.

The whole, "you use what you find" also appealed to me in a single-player/immersion factor. As mentioned, the reason why D1 worked (in my opinion) better than D2 in terms of atmosphere is because of how it was all presented.

And as it turns out, the more of a glimmer you turn out to be to the town the more corrupt and insane you become from seeing all these sights and hearing these sounds. Soon you're no longer fighting in rags and wooden shields but impressive chain and plate with iron, yet also meeting increasingly bizarre and eldritch creatures.

That's just how I always saw the story of D1 unfold as I played it. One of my favourite little "quests" is the Slain Hero one in the Caves. It really sends in that whole thought that you're not going to win. That hopelessness and doubt you yourself experience when you enter a room full of succubi, advocates, black knights, balrogs and the like is what makes D1 so much more compelling on a story-telling scale. You have to be methodical and clever with how you dispose of these demons or you end up like your friend.

And that is why I love a game like Demon's Souls or Dark Souls. You automatically feel like you're in WAY over your head and you're either going to get extremely lucky or you're going to be another body strapped to a burning Cross.

Not everybody can enjoy or see that sort of stuff being fun but I suppose that is why I miss the old Blizzard that really innovated us in a time where Dooms and Quakes were all over our computers with something that wasn't just, "pick up the rocket launcher and go ballistic."

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CharanJaydemyr wrote:

Agreed, 100%. I would think that a lot of what I've written is an implicit agreement, in fact. In another thread, we've called for more Diablo-1 like structure, particularly in regards to the idea of one or two random quests per 'tileset' (act, perhaps) chosen from a selection thereof. For example, you sometimes got the Poisoned Water Supply early on, and sometimes you got the Stolen Sign. This continued all the way down to Hell -- you didn't always have to deal with Lachdanan or acquire the Veil of Steel.

I also want some form of shrine back. Something random scattered throughout that can either help or hinder you.

And perhaps, as Arcie called for elsewhere, more narrative link between the acts' towns. Even D2 had that, with Warriv carrying you from act 1 to act 2, and Meshif from act 2 to act 3.