Since GGG forced lab down our throats, how about some protection from lab carries that quit or die?

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robmafia wrote:

dude. those viper strike threads. just. i mean. wow.

hahahahahahahahaa

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Turtledove wrote:

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Fruz wrote:

Since I am not going to go through 700+ pages ( yes, I am referring to that joke f a thread ) to find a quote and proove it, I am going to give you the benefit of the doubt and apologize then.
Given how much crap has been thrown all over the place by members of the lab-hating-brigade, forgive me if I mixed some of the content, if you never ever said such a thing ( which is not impossible I guess ).

I know what you said is a stupid lie because I DON'T BELIEVE THAT! I know that it is hard for you to not tell lies about me. I think you do it on purpose just to antagonize me. So PROVE it you liar! Prove it or take your silly lies elsewhere because I'm not going to let you intimidate me. I'm going to continue giving my feedback and suggestions to GGG whenever I want to. I'm no longer going to ignore you lies about me. Learn to deal with (to use your language).

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Pyrokar wrote:

The sad thing about lab is how it was the start of the hc populace decline. In hc you want your actions, drops and character power to matter as you want your char to be as strong and tanky as possible on every encounter if you want to survive... And then we have traps with %dmg which destroys most defenses. Doesn't matter if you get a kaom's heart drop before entering lab, equiping it will bring you no joy as it gives no advantage over traps.
Lab literally took some of the most important reasons people play hc and threw them out of the window.

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Legatus1982 wrote:

Yes, I don't like the 5-10 bosses, that isn't news, I also still haven't seen your video of leveling a VS character 1-uberlab on SSFHC, so your opinions at this point are not valid. At the very least, I can tolerate the 5-10 bosses because they are normal POE content that can be dealt with the normal ways.

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Fruz wrote:

I could put viper strike back in a 4L and kill uber Izaro with it but ... I have other things to do with my time atm honestly.

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Fruz wrote:

We could take a successful guide's content too :

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Kiss_Me_Quick wrote:

This build is able to finish acts comfortably with it's original skill gems. Dual wielding is not worth it until you get Breath of The Council, meaning that you should start off with a shield.

Granted, there is HoA now, but that is not the main dmg source VS bosses.

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Legatus1982 wrote:

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Fruz wrote:

The second reason is that Cyclone ended up outperforming it

Cyclone isn't even meta so clearly you understand this, but still want to argue for some reason

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Legatus1982 wrote:

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Xtorma wrote:

Who determines what "core" poe is. you? I thought GGG was in charge of that.

Are there zana maps where you only get 1 portal. One death. Is this not part of the "core" game?

Prior to the lab has no meaning if you want to talk about the core game. There are traps in maps, which is part of the core game, as well as lab mechanics in the storyline. Quantity is irrelevant as long as they are present. You want to define the "core" game , but that is not for you to define, that is for GGG to define.

Everything you listed also helps you in the lab. Those things also help you to different degrees in maps depending on how you roll them. Maps and lab are core aspects of the game.

Like every other mechanic that was "shoved" in, the lab has undergone improvements and changes. Just because you don't like them , don't mean they haven't been improved and balanced.

I don't want anyone to skip the lab, neither does GGG. If you hate the lab though, and want to skip it because you don't like it...great! buy a carry. It's an option for you and GGG allows it. You can do this throughout the entire "core" game.

Malachi aint shit. It's not malachi I hate , it's the whole act. I can not stand it. Let me skip it. not because I can't do it, but because I hate it. Lets be honest here. Can you do the lab?...I think you can. you just don't want to because you hate it. Why can't I have the same courtesy? The mechanics are irrelevant, its about not wanting to do it. Right? why do you think you need special treatment for the lab?

Maybe they could have done something better that YOU would have liked, but that was not their vision. But because they value your patronage, they gave you concessions on the lab and allowed you to be able to buy a carry, not because you can't do the content, but because you don't like their vision. I think that is pretty awesome of them.

Lab is here to stay. It is part of the "core" game. GGG has made that decision. It is what it is.

Core POE is obviously the POE that we had on "release". That should really go without saying.

Yes there is a Zana mission that only has 1 portal, but since that Zana mission is otherwise completely pointless it's not even a close comparison.

The traps in maps were not there until lab IIRC, then GGG started adding them.

All the mechanics I listed are worse in lab, that was the point.

If you don't like act 4, you CAN skip act 4 the same way I skip lab, only difference is that you don't lose an offering if someone bails on you, your "carry" isn't going to die or quit mid-run for obvious reasons, and if you DC you just come back and continue where you left off. There's no traps and and you don't have to redesign your build for it if it isn't optimized for lagging out on top of traps in HC.


You're trying to act like lab is not different from the rest of POE and you're not making any good arguments for that case; this is because there aren't any. It's not "core" POE, maybe it is TODAY but it certainly doesn't match up with the rest of POE content as normal.

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Soulscar1 wrote:

I absolutely agree with OP in that labs are a mandatory means of progression rather than "choice content". Yes they absolutely suck regardless as they are generic, repetitive, long winded and tedious due to the one try mechanic.

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robmafia wrote:

...so you usually fail them, then?

otherwise, what you said makes zero sense. if you ascend on the first try...

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Soulscar1 wrote:

I absolutely agree with OP in that labs are a mandatory means of progression rather than "choice content". Yes they absolutely suck regardless as they are generic, repetitive, long winded and tedious due to the one try mechanic.

Don't get me wrong I have enjoyed labs with VERY specific builds for helmet enchants but other than that very specific build they just suck. I don't know why you have to go though the trials to attempt trials tedium either.

It would be good if they offered something else rather than the means of mandatory progression. Ascendancy should just be given as and when you reach a certain level imo.

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robmafia wrote:

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Soulscar1 wrote:

I absolutely agree with OP in that labs are a mandatory means of progression rather than "choice content". Yes they absolutely suck regardless as they are generic, repetitive, long winded and tedious due to the one try mechanic.

...so you usually fail them, then?

otherwise, what you said makes zero sense. if you ascend on the first try...

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Soulscar1 wrote:

I absolutely agree with OP in that labs are a mandatory means of progression rather than "choice content". Yes they absolutely suck regardless as they are generic, repetitive, long winded and tedious due to the one try mechanic.

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robmafia wrote:

*ahem*

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Soulscar1 wrote:

I absolutely agree with OP in that labs are a mandatory means of progression rather than "choice content". Yes they absolutely suck regardless as they are generic, repetitive, long winded and tedious due to the one try mechanic.