Since GGG forced lab down our throats, how about some protection from lab carries that quit or die?

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Fruz wrote:

lol nop .... you're the only one fixating on that (and your lack of knowledge/experience of HC makes you quite ... unqualified to have any judgement regarding that lol, at least anything of actual value/importance).
It's quite amazing that you are not getting it tbh, you keep getting 'rectified' and yet ...

WOW, you really don't actually seem to understand at all OO.

And this is just golden haha
Btw, for the record, it has never been about going beyond 90 (way too much to ask imho):

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Fruz wrote:

if you really want to start talking about HC, you should reach lvl 90 first btw.

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Fruz wrote:

Some add-hominem and you starting beating a strawman

That's interesting since 99% of everything you post is ad-hominem and straw man arguments

What are you actually saying here that has any value? Looks like nothing, and it's a pretty obvious pattern. IDK why mods continue to let you post on these forums, you should've been banned years ago

How about I start going through your profile and talk about all your dead characters?
Achievements completed: 114/120
6 UNCOMPLETED ACHIEVEMENTS, YOUR ARGUMENTS ARE NOT VALID SIR

Can't complain about that point I guess since it's right out of your own playbook. You have UNCOMPLETED ACHIEVEMENTS!!!!!!!!!111 Clearly you're unqualified to talk about anything.

OR, and I know this is A REAL LONG SHOT for you people, but how about you look objectively at actual information:
1. 1000+ pages of lab complaints
2. your shadow is dead and your marauder is not

I predict "add-hominem" text from team Fruz below since that describes your entire presence in this thread.

This

"but it's most certainly not the player's fault for having a build that can't do lab"

from the OP-post, is where i stoppped reading.

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Legatus1982 wrote:

[...]

TLDR :

"NO YOU!" (it actually is pretty much the thing you're going on with right now).

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Speedjunkie wrote:

This

"but it's most certainly not the player's fault for having a build that can't do lab"

from the OP-post, is where i stoppped reading.

wise decision imo :>

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Speedjunkie wrote:

This

"but it's most certainly not the player's fault for having a build that can't do lab"

from the OP-post, is where i stoppped reading.

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Legatus1982 wrote:

Yes, it is theoretically POSSIBLE for literally any build to do lab. It is THEORETICALLY POSSIBLE to do lab on a character that has not allocated any skill points and isn't wearing any gear. That doesn't mean it is an intelligent decision to do so

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Speedjunkie wrote:

Some add-hominem and you starting beating a strawman

This is pretty much the point in the thread whereby having several pages of contradictions from your side, I basically don't have to actually write anything anymore because you're defeating yourselves with your inability to actually tell the truth for 5 minutes in a row

@Fruz your entire last post could be deleted and the thread would remain exactly the same

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Fruz wrote:

Not that it matters, and you're completely off-topic.
But since you're off-topic and want to start pretending that you know something about HC ..... if you really want to start talking about HC, you should reach lvl 90 first btw.
Not that you've been trying for years of course.
Just saying

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Legatus1982 wrote:

Do you see any characters in my list from non-current leagues? Might be a hint that I delete characters regularly. It would also be extremely simple to no-life my jugg to 90. Neither fact has anything to do with this conversation. You make the most ignorant arguments I swear

There you go little buddy. Cuz internet vidoegame challenges matter I guess to some people.

Like I said, I choose not to play most characters past 80 typically because it gets boring. Not because of inability to do it. Funny how the actual facts always 100% of the time contradict your position.

Now how about we get back to the main issue, which is that you are supporting scams and I want a system in place to prevent lab carries from doing so and running with people's offering without completing the task they were paid for. And this is a longshot, but maybe, juuuuuuuuust maybe, we can actually talk about the issue without certain people derailing the thread for 20 pages.

Oh wow, you did finally get there, look how much you care about what people think about you :))

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Legatus1982 wrote:

There you go little buddy. Cuz internet vidoegame challenges matter I guess to some people.

They matter to you for sure haha.

How much of "no-lifing" was that then lol ?

( you realize that so many called you out because you were just not being honest, right ? I don't think that they care, it's just a different issue )

( On a side note, lvl 90 in HC Betrayal, and yet not a single safehouse completed ? really ??? challenges/achievements are far from being everything, but some really do tell a lot regarding the way some players play the game. )



About the "issue" with the lab, it's just about some players, not about the content.
You want somedoby to kill Izaro for you ? That's a risk you are taking.
You don't have friends that you can trust in HC ? That's your problem too, period.

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Vesuvius079 wrote:

I think it would be good to get some form of trade protection for services. Lab runs are far from the only such service. There’s also shaper/elder kills, map completion services, challenge completion services, and probably others I’m forgetting.

Currently we’re entirely on the vouch system for trust on all of these. I’ve used many of them and never gotten scammed(scamming these services isn’t really much easier than offering them legit).

The problem with trade protection on services is its a lot more complicated than a trade screen in pretty much every aspect and GGG probably has much higher priorities for that sort of time investment. I wouldn’t be surprised if the level of effort required is comparable to a league implementation.

The vouch system if flawed. We are not allowed to leave bad feedback in those as it hurts the reputation of the thread creator.

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andreicde wrote:

I see a lot of controversial opinions here. I do not agree with OP on his suggestion, but I also don't agree with the folks here that claim lab is ''challenging/endgame'' or anything really. It is essentially a chore for many, especially uber lab.

The current Syndicate is a better endgame than the uber garbage lab which is why I am happy to pay my way through to get rid of it as soon as possible. Lab is also extremely frustrating or extremely easy depending on which type of build you have (since some reduce the damage of the traps especially for pesky moments when game teleports you back into the area where you were before, aka lag).

The fact is , some love lab, some hate it.

Yes some love it and some hate but the good thing is that those who hate it only have to do it once.

Lab is pretty fun to farm with a good build.

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Fruz wrote:

They matter to you for sure haha.

How much of "no-lifing" was that then lol ?

( you realize that so many called you out because you were just not being honest, right ? I don't think that they care, it's just a different issue )

( On a side note, lvl 90 in HC Betrayal, and yet not a single safehouse completed ? really ??? challenges/achievements are far from being everything, but some really do tell a lot regarding the way some players play the game. )

About the "issue" with the lab, it's just about some players, not about the content.
You want somedoby to kill Izaro for you ? That's a risk you are taking.
You don't have friends that you can trust in HC ? That's your problem too, period.

They don't matter to me at all, and it was ~2 days of no-lifing. What matters to me is people spreading lies. I don't like to play past 80 because mapping for me is boring. I play builds that look interesting to me until I get bored (like VS), then either try another build or play another game.

I would like to try VS again (BTW, from what I'm seeing it received substantial second-hand buffs in 3.4 that I did not have in 3.3), but I still maintain that it's a shit skill in HC. Maybe if you used it on a juggernaut I would call it viable, but I cannot take seriously the opinion that evasion viper strike characters are viable HC builds. The fact that you leveled one to 90 in SSFHC does not tell me the build is worth a damn, it tells me you're very good at surviving to 90 on trash builds - without losing your mind avoiding all the content.

"Calling me out for not being honest" is I'm 99% certain a troll. It is literally impossible to see "80-90" and believe that implies 90+. This is basic number counting stuff that doesn't even involve math, anyone who knows how to count can do it. I have about 70-80 oranges. Do I have 81 oranges? No, I do not.

And yes, I have skipped all the new content (until today on my RF shadow). Don't know enough about it to risk characters on it if I need them alive.



But getting back to the topic - you somehow have a problem with a system being put into place to prevent scams on carries. Why? What do you lose from this being done? Everyone puts their items into an escrow before entering, the items are released when the task is done. How does this cause problems for you unless you are a scammer? I really don't see a way. As it is right now, it's actually MORE WORK to execute 5 trades than it is to have an escrow in place for lab carries.