Since GGG forced lab down our throats, how about some protection from lab carries that quit or die?
" 100% lying here Make a video of yourself leveling a vs char from 1 to uber izaro in ssfhc. Otherwise you're full of it my evasion is so high i only insta rip sometimes ----- Bug Fixes: People were using cyclone for actual melee builds, so we nerfed it and made blade vortex. Also, we went ahead and made cyclone great for CoC casters while we were at it. Last edited by Legatus1982#1658 on Jan 4, 2019, 10:09:14 AM
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" /rofl Of course, you failed so it can't be possible. I actually made the char after I saw you complain quite a lot about it, because I was curious. The leveling was a of course breeze, completely. I knew that saying that viper strike was bad against bosses was complete nonsense, but I wanted to see how strong it would actually be. I switched to cyclone as a main setup, I could put viper strike back in a 4L and kill uber Izaro with it but ... I have other things to do with my time atm honestly. SSF is not and will never be a standard for balance, it is not for people entitled to getting more without trading. Last edited by Fruz#6137 on Jan 4, 2019, 10:55:56 AM
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" No, it's definitely "possible", I just know for a fact that you didn't do it. The fact you respecced to cyclone is further evidence of my suspicions. You did not level a character from level 1 to uber izaro using viper strike as your damage source throughout the leveling process in SSFHC. Prove you did it with a video and I'll change my mind. Again, you apparently think I "failed" at something, just more antagonistic comments with no basis in reality whatsoever since you have never seen me play POE. But yes surely you are a mature person who isn't antagonistic and obnoxious *eyeroll*. I delete all my characters at the end of every league so as far as you know I could be the world's best POE player (or the world's worst) and you'd have completely no idea whatsoever. I have no respect for your opinion at this point because you're constantly saying things you have no basis in reality for. my evasion is so high i only insta rip sometimes ----- Bug Fixes: People were using cyclone for actual melee builds, so we nerfed it and made blade vortex. Also, we went ahead and made cyclone great for CoC casters while we were at it. Last edited by Legatus1982#1658 on Jan 4, 2019, 5:59:01 PM
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" If you are the guy who made the thread asking for people to be silenced , then your opinions don't deserve any respect either. |
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" You dont need to respect my opinions, you need to decide for yourself what the truth is. Are the 410+ threads asking for lab changes as well as a 750+ page thread about lab ascendancy points being separated from lab plus strawpoll an indication that there's a lot of people that don't like lab, or is it all a giant conspiracy theory and the largest feedback thread (haven't seen that one disproved yet) in POE history is a nothing-burger? Add that to the fact that the carry business is alive and well but GGG will ban anyone for "naming and shaming" when trying to expose scammers and you've got a recipe for a problem that needs a better solution, one better than listening to Fruz post on the forums about how everyone who doesn't like lab is just "bad at lab". As if that is some kind of valid conclusion that you should be supporting. As far as silencing people goes, there are simple reasons why Fruz should not be allowed to post on these forums, the least of which is that he simply cannot follow the very rules about obnoxious and/or antagonistic behavior which he constantly reports other people for. Either you should ban people for being antagonistic or you should allow them to post, you don't get to only remove posts from people Fruz doesn't like simply because he is reporting people for justified verbal hostility and others aren't that childish. my evasion is so high i only insta rip sometimes ----- Bug Fixes: People were using cyclone for actual melee builds, so we nerfed it and made blade vortex. Also, we went ahead and made cyclone great for CoC casters while we were at it. Last edited by Legatus1982#1658 on Jan 4, 2019, 12:23:48 PM
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" Yea maybe , but that's not what you said. You wanted to silence anyone who YOU thought was not being constructive. Nobody's speech should be infringed upon because it doesn't meet your subjective ideal of what is or isn't constructive. If you don't like the lab, that sucks for you, but it is not having a significant impact on the game. Community is still healthy. If the lab were having some huge detrimental effect on the health of the game they would have shut it down long ago, they are a business after all. GGG has even extended an olive branch by adjusting some of the runs and requirements. Fact of the matter is ,GGG has included the lab in their vision of what they want the game to be, and it's their game. They seem quite happy with it, as do a whole cubic butt ton of people who play it every league, regardless of whether they like the lab or not. I have no doubt in my mind that you are capable of running the lab on your own. You seem to have played the game for a long time, so I am sure you know how to create effective builds. I also know that you despise it and would be happy if they just gave you the ascendancies, or allowed you to achieve them in some alternative fashion. That's great!, and well within you and the other 700+ people to ask for. So lets say you have the power to make it so. would you be willing to extend that same courtesy to everyone else who didn't like an aspect of the game and wanted to skip it? Let me skip act 4, I can't stand it, just give me all the available buffs. It's not that I can't do it, I just don't want to. Make all maps available to all people at no cost, because they can't stand the rng map system? It's not that they can't eventually get all the maps, they just despise the time sink. Sulphite? heck yea , free sulphite for everyone! to heck with it, give it all away, it won't fundamentally chance the game at all. What I am trying to get across is there are a lot of people with different things they don't like about the game, but I am going to assume that anyone here that is still playing likes the game quite a bit as a whole. All those things I listed , and plenty more I didn't all have work arounds, and some of those work arounds put them at risk to be scammed. From everything I have read on these forums , scamming is frowned upon but tolerated. GGG won't police it , and GGG policy does not allow for community policing. It's an aspect of the game now, just like the lab and maps, and whatever else some small faction of people dislike. I hope that was constructive enough for you. |
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"You won't like the answer I give: it's not a nothing-burger, but it was a burger that was already eaten a couple of years back. The heaviest amount of Lab criticism, myself included, came from before a major overhaul of the difficulty progression and nerfing of various buffs Izaro can get even in the Uber lab which had the least changes (as it should). The labyrinth, while still based on a very flawed and, IMO, misguided foundation, is much less of a hassle now than it used to be. |
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" Actually I agree with this. I stopped playing PoE and came back after their last major overhaul of lab. That made the game playable for me again. I also agree that other changes have made it much less hassle. The bottom line is that it is still bad content and the game would be significantly improved, in my view, if lab was completely optional content. Over 430 threads discussing labyrinth problems with over 1040 posters in support (thread # 1702621) Thank you all! GGG will implement a different method for ascension in PoE2. Retired!
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" That's not what I said at all. I was highly specific about my choice of words because I did not want it to be MY or anyone else's OPINION. I asked for there to be very specific standards as to the quality of content on the page that are not subjective. Right now the standards are "obnoxious or antagonistic" posts, which is extremely subjective and lends to GGG basically removing posts whenever someone complains to them, instead of actually objectively applying the rules. To be clear I would prefer to let everyone say what they want to say, but GGG is removing posts on a regular basis and the system that is being applied basically boils down to whoever is reporting instead of who is being the most antagonistic or obnoxious, because the standard is subjective. I happen to believe, as I said, that such a system would exclude Fruz, but that isn't a fact it's an opinion. " Yes, it was well within the lines of what I would call constructive conversation. The difference between what you're saying and what I'm saying is that lab itself is not part of *core* POE. It clashes in many ways with the basic design mechanics of the game: 1. Anywhere else in POE you get a number of portals to use, lab you do not. (IE, many of the complaints about lab are from disconnects during their run) 2. Anywhere else in POE (prior to lab) there were no traps, the game was basic player vs monster gameplay (IE, obviously lending to many people complaining about traps) 3. Anywhere else in POE leech, flasks, LGOH and minions can all help you through the content. In lab, the focus shifts heavily toward passive defenses (traps in particular) 4. Any (or most) other content was added as league mechanics that received proper testing over several months before becoming core POE, lab was just added with ascendancies during perandus league and shoved in as part of the core game 5. Any other new content in POE came with specific rewards such as league-specific or introduced uniques, but the rewards tied to doing lab are disproportionately high compared to the rest of the content in POE, to the point that it is no longer optional to skip lab despite the claims of many players To use your example, if you don't like act 4, well I am not particularly fond of Malachai myself but you can still portal-whore your way around it if you don't like it. You can also choose to run through the area only killing mobs to refill your flasks (which is what many people actually do in many places). There's a lot of ways lab could have been implemented that would have made it much better for the population, least of which is simply making it an optional endgame league mechanic with maybe just some new uniques or item bases. Instead, they did all these things mentioned above making lab one of the most polarizing topics in the game. my evasion is so high i only insta rip sometimes ----- Bug Fixes: People were using cyclone for actual melee builds, so we nerfed it and made blade vortex. Also, we went ahead and made cyclone great for CoC casters while we were at it. Last edited by Legatus1982#1658 on Jan 4, 2019, 5:57:06 PM
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" Who determines what "core" poe is. you? I thought GGG was in charge of that. 1. Anywhere else in POE you get a number of portals to use, lab you do not. (IE, many of the complaints about lab are from disconnects during their runThere Are there zana maps where you only get 1 portal. One death. Is this not part of the "core" game? 2. Anywhere else in POE (prior to lab) there were no traps, the game was basic player vs monster gameplay (IE, obviously lending to many people complaining about traps) Prior to the lab has no meaning if you want to talk about the core game. There are traps in maps, which is part of the core game, as well as lab mechanics in the storyline. Quantity is irrelevant as long as they are present. You want to define the "core" game , but that is not for you to define, that is for GGG to define. 3. Anywhere else in POE leech, flasks, LGOH and minions can all help you through the content. In lab, the focus shifts heavily toward passive defenses (traps in particular) Everything you listed also helps you in the lab. Those things also help you to different degrees in maps depending on how you roll them. Maps and lab are core aspects of the game. 4. Any (or most) other content was added as league mechanics that received proper testing over several months before becoming core POE, lab was just added with ascendancies during perandus league and shoved in as part of the core game Like every other mechanic that was "shoved" in, the lab has undergone improvements and changes. Just because you don't like them , don't mean they haven't been improved and balanced. 5. Any other new content in POE came with specific rewards such as league-specific or introduced uniques, but the rewards tied to doing lab are disproportionately high compared to the rest of the content in POE, to the point that it is no longer optional to skip lab despite the claims of many players I don't want anyone to skip the lab, neither does GGG. If you hate the lab though, and want to skip it because you don't like it...great! buy a carry. It's an option for you and GGG allows it. You can do this throughout the entire "core" game. To use your example, if you don't like act 4, well I am not particularly fond of Malachai myself but you can still portal-whore your way around it if you don't like it. You can also choose to run through the area only killing mobs to refill your flasks (which is what many people actually do in many places). Malachi aint shit. It's not malachi I hate , it's the whole act. I can not stand it. Let me skip it. not because I can't do it, but because I hate it. Lets be honest here. Can you do the lab?...I think you can. you just don't want to because you hate it. Why can't I have the same courtesy? The mechanics are irrelevant, its about not wanting to do it. Right? why do you think you need special treatment for the lab? There's a lot of ways lab could have been implemented that would have made it much better for the population, least of which is simply making it an optional endgame league mechanic with maybe just some new uniques or item bases. Instead, they did all these things mentioned above making lab one of the most polarizing topics in the game. Maybe they could have done something better that YOU would have liked, but that was not their vision. But because they value your patronage, they gave you concessions on the lab and allowed you to be able to buy a carry, not because you can't do the content, but because you don't like their vision. I think that is pretty awesome of them. Lab is here to stay. It is part of the "core" game. GGG has made that decision. It is what it is. Last edited by Xtorma#4606 on Jan 4, 2019, 9:21:24 PM
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