Since GGG forced lab down our throats, how about some protection from lab carries that quit or die?

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Miská wrote:

secondarily because Izaro is unpredictable. Regardless of how strong your char is you can always die

He is.

Either he jumps on you, or throws something in your direction ( I haven't bothered systematically recording what he does at the start because it's really not a problem whatever he does ).
You just need to sidestep it, and let the traps that you set up blow him up or blow him up yourself if you have such dps.
And this removes the whole need for a carry, as the only thing a carry allows you to is skip Izaro.


But you can't be bothered, alright.

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Miská wrote:

I said some of my chars will be able to do that easily, and again I just can't be bothered. Mainly because I don't like the content, and secondarily because Izaro is unpredictable.

hahahahaha, what?

izaro? WAT

iazro's like the most predictable monster in the game that's not an act boss.


this is hilarious. and i bet every single person saying crap like the above (and who pay other people to play for them) still have no idea why i even asked if they ran aul.

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Fruz wrote:

Otherwise you would not be writing is again, you know exactly what you wrote in the first place.

You being bad at running the labyrinth isn't antagonizing, it's a simple fact.
Me pointing out that you are pulling random numbers or making up stats out of thin air is also not antagonistic, but again : a fact.

I don't know what you're referring to from me being antagonizing since I can't go see it now, but we both know like everyone else here with 100 percent certainty that you are by far much worse when it comes to antagonistic content.

And as far as my ability to do lab, how many times have you seen me do lab? Oh that's right 0 times. So you are making false assertions based on no actual knowledge and pretending it is fact and very clearly just antagonizing.

I'm not giving you anymore chances, I gave you the opportunity to be a half decent human being and you've proven you don't want to try to do that, so from now on everything I see from you will get a report, it's that simple.

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Fruz wrote:

The only risk that you are bypassing is Izaro, because you have to go through traps anyway.
Making your first 'point' ... well, moot.

But I guess you are one of those who pay for a Kitava carry hahaha.

Paying for a carry is never an intelligent decision ( apart from that one example that was given last page, which is very specific, or if you are getting PL'ed all the way, which is an entirely different thing too ), period.
And no amount of ranting and trying to convince yourself otherwise will change this.

Ever heard of golden keys? Rofl. This is especially hilarious because you're calling me bad at lab, when you have factually no idea how good or bad I am at lab, for all you know i could be a lab world record holder, and you clearly don't have the slightest clue how lab works yourself. And now the truth finally comes out. I'm going to be saving that quote for a very long time.

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Fruz wrote:

The thing here, is that you want to convince people ( and likely yourself ) that your characters are super strong and that there is no strength problem regarding your character + the lab at all.

I'm just saying that if there wasn't, you would not need a carry, even if you hate the lab.

I've already shown that this is factually incorrect information, but your first part is definitely 100% true: some builds have a strength problem. This is simply a result of poor balancing on gggs part. Granted any spell caster build should easily do all or most of the games normal content. This doesn't mean a viper strike or glacial hammer build in hc will want to try to fight uber izaro, even if they could deal with lagging on traps. It isn't a question of whether it can be done, it's a question of paying being an objectively better choice.

Personally I am more concerned about lagging in traps as that has cost me a character before and poe crashes all the time, but regardless there are reasons not to do lab in hc whether you agree or not.

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robmafia wrote:

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Miská wrote:

I said some of my chars will be able to do that easily, and again I just can't be bothered. Mainly because I don't like the content, and secondarily because Izaro is unpredictable.

hahahahaha, what?

izaro? WAT

iazro's like the most predictable monster in the game that's not an act boss.


this is hilarious. and i bet every single person saying crap like the above (and who pay other people to play for them) still have no idea why i even asked if they ran aul.

I'm getting really tired of discussing this with people that obviously are clueless. Are you so desperate to prove lab is a lovable thing that you need to constantly antagonize people for their opinion?

Izaro is unpredictable not in the attacks he does, but in the way he behaves. Sometimes he just decided phasing is not his thing today and he will keep throwing animations at ya for another 20 seconds. That's what I call unpredictable and something I don't want to deal with. But again, you already knew that and was simply out to troll like usual.

You can love lab all you want, but it's getting kinda sad in this topic that the handful of people that somehow managed to convince themselves lab is great have to force that opinion onto others continuesly.

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Miská wrote:

I'm getting really tired of discussing this with people that obviously are clueless.

do tell.

fun fact: you won't. you have zero evidence that i'm "clueless."

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Miská wrote:

Are you so desperate to prove lab is a lovable thing that you need to constantly antagonize people for their opinion?

WAT?

you're already resorting to putting words in my mouth? FAIL

putting words in my mouth (ie: antagonizing) WHILE accusing me of antagonizing via the fake words i never actually said? LOLFAIL

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Miská wrote:

Izaro is unpredictable not in the attacks he does, but in the way he behaves. Sometimes he just decided phasing is not his thing today and he will keep throwing animations at ya for another 20 seconds. That's what I call unpredictable and something I don't want to deal with. But again, you already knew that and was simply out to troll like usual.

what year do you think it is? 2017? earlier? this was patched. long ago.

also, which is it: am i "clueless" or do i know this? because you just claimed both. and they're mutually exclusive.

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Miská wrote:

You can love lab all you want, but it's getting kinda sad in this topic that the handful of people that somehow managed to convince themselves lab is great have to force that opinion onto others continuesly.

protip: try making RELEVANT arguments/responses to things one ACTUALLY said.



edit: i already said that i hate the lab. but it's for reasons (that i already stated) that are valid and real.

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Miská wrote:

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robmafia wrote:

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Miská wrote:

I said some of my chars will be able to do that easily, and again I just can't be bothered. Mainly because I don't like the content, and secondarily because Izaro is unpredictable.

hahahahaha, what?

izaro? WAT

iazro's like the most predictable monster in the game that's not an act boss.


this is hilarious. and i bet every single person saying crap like the above (and who pay other people to play for them) still have no idea why i even asked if they ran aul.

I'm getting really tired of discussing this with people that obviously are clueless. Are you so desperate to prove lab is a lovable thing that you need to constantly antagonize people for their opinion?

Izaro is unpredictable not in the attacks he does, but in the way he behaves. Sometimes he just decided phasing is not his thing today and he will keep throwing animations at ya for another 20 seconds. That's what I call unpredictable and something I don't want to deal with. But again, you already knew that and was simply out to troll like usual.

You can love lab all you want, but it's getting kinda sad in this topic that the handful of people that somehow managed to convince themselves lab is great have to force that opinion onto others continuesly.

I figure since its a multiplayer game, if you want to pay for a lab run, no worries. If you hate the traps and want someone to run ahead and open all the doors and disable what can be disabled, then its a win for you.

As far as getting scammed, we all know where GGG sits on that issue, so I don't see a resolution to that ever happening.

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Legatus1982 wrote:

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Fruz wrote:

The thing here, is that you want to convince people ( and likely yourself ) that your characters are super strong and that there is no strength problem regarding your character + the lab at all.

I'm just saying that if there wasn't, you would not need a carry, even if you hate the lab.

I've already shown that this is factually incorrect information, but your first part is definitely 100% true: some builds have a strength problem. This is simply a result of poor balancing on gggs part. Granted any spell caster build should easily do all or most of the games normal content. This doesn't mean a viper strike or glacial hammer build in hc will want to try to fight uber izaro, even if they could deal with lagging on traps. It isn't a question of whether it can be done, it's a question of paying being an objectively better choice.

Personally I am more concerned about lagging in traps as that has cost me a character before and poe crashes all the time, but regardless there are reasons not to do lab in hc whether you agree or not.

I destroyed uber-Izaro SSF HC with viper strike.

I know you failed, you even created a post about how bosses are too hard for VP during the story ( lol, really )
The problem was on your end, definitely on your end.

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Xtorma wrote:

I figure since its a multiplayer game, if you want to pay for a lab run, no worries. If you hate the traps and want someone to run ahead and open all the doors and disable what can be disabled, then its a win for you.

As far as getting scammed, we all know where GGG sits on that issue, so I don't see a resolution to that ever happening.

Ye someone doing golden doors is def nice, another thing I don't like about lab. I'm kinda indifferent about traps. I have done so many lab runs that they don't bother me as much anymore. They also improved times in the lower labs to acceptable amounts, I just refuse to waste my time in uber lab, unless I really need to (SSF)

Ye scamming can always be a thing I guess. But I rarely even see it happen. Most people that run lab are great folks.

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Miská wrote:

Ye someone doing golden doors is def nice, another thing I don't like about lab.

There are golden doors too, true.
That's a good point.