Since GGG forced lab down our throats, how about some protection from lab carries that quit or die?

Labyrinth discussions have likely been the number one topic in the Feedback and Suggestions forum since labyrinth was released. The 790 page (or whatever it is) is but one example. There are 410 other threads where the OP is suggesting a change needs to be made to labyrinth. The 790 page thread might be the longest thread in the Feedback and Suggestions forum?
Over 430 threads discussing labyrinth problems with over 1040 posters in support (thread # 1702621) Thank you all! GGG will implement a different method for ascension in PoE2. Retired!
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Turtledove wrote:
Labyrinth discussions have likely been the number one topic in the Feedback and Suggestions forum since labyrinth was released. The 790 page (or whatever it is) is but one example. There are 410 other threads where the OP is suggesting a change needs to be made to labyrinth. The 790 page thread might be the longest thread in the Feedback and Suggestions forum?
that's not what he said tho. the way you said it, it makes sense because you leave the possibility of being wrong.

no 'might' or 'likely' or feedback/suggestion forum either.

it is extremely ironic for someone who preaches 'objectivity' and 'evidence' to pull something out of his ass without actual research on his part.

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the moral of this conundrum is really simple- if you dont know for sure, dont say it. if you really want to say it to make your point look better, make sure you actually fact check. otherwise you look like a fool.
the same goes for a lot of people in that thread by the way.

a lot of people in that lab thread think they can speak on arpg genre as a whole while having likely played like 2.5 games out of dozens.

maybe if people have actually played games like nox before, theyd know poe was easily not the first arpg to have traps, puzzles and hidden levers...nor the first prominent nor well received one.

but hey, they want to embrace their ignorance.
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Lab is awful. I'd get rid of the ghosts, the syndicate, and especially lab if I were made king for a day. It's not that I ever failed it's that it lock you down for a good 15 min. Can't trade, can't answer door, can't tend to a baby crying whatever.

I only do lab 4x per toon period and dread it every time.
Git R Dun!
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grepman wrote:
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Shovelcut wrote:
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Legatus1982 wrote:

This is where we are with you Fruz. There's a 790 page thread, no other thread in the history of POE has ever even come close to that, but you don't accept it because of "circle jerking".


https://www.pathofexile.com/forum/view-thread/504429

You were saying?

damn this was too easy

do you think he will man up and admit that he said something that was 100% false ?


It's not even close to being the second largest thread ever, just found this one. https://www.pathofexile.com/forum/view-thread/392/page/1

lol

The only reason that laby thread even reached 700+ pages was because of the circle jerk that was keeping it on the front page for over a year.
Just a lowly standard player. May RNGesus be with you.
I think 6 portals would go a long way to mitigating those mega lab is shit threads. Certainly would address OP's concerns for example. Or the DC's, especially at start of league where you get dumped halfway in.
Git R Dun!
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grepman wrote:
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Turtledove wrote:
Labyrinth discussions have likely been the number one topic in the Feedback and Suggestions forum since labyrinth was released. The 790 page (or whatever it is) is but one example. There are 410 other threads where the OP is suggesting a change needs to be made to labyrinth. The 790 page thread might be the longest thread in the Feedback and Suggestions forum?
that's not what he said tho. the way you said it, it makes sense because you leave the possibility of being wrong.

no 'might' or 'likely' or feedback/suggestion forum either.

it is extremely ironic for someone who preaches 'objectivity' and 'evidence' to pull something out of his ass without actual research on his part.

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the moral of this conundrum is really simple- if you dont know for sure, dont say it. if you really want to say it to make your point look better, make sure you actually fact check. otherwise you look like a fool.


He was using that thread as support for his reasonable position that labyrinth is the most disliked part of the game. I was simply pointing out some other data points supporting that position. Shovelcut proving that he was wrong on the assertion that it was the longest thread on the forum does not disprove the assertion that labyrinth is the most disliked content in PoE.
Over 430 threads discussing labyrinth problems with over 1040 posters in support (thread # 1702621) Thank you all! GGG will implement a different method for ascension in PoE2. Retired!
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Turtledove wrote:
Shovelcut proving that he was wrong on the assertion that it was the longest thread on the forum does not disprove the assertion that labyrinth is the most disliked content in PoE.


it was not an assertion. it was a statement of fact, that was factually wrong.

not only that but in the form it was made, I remind you:

"There's a 790 page thread, no other thread in the history of POE has ever even come close to that, but you don't accept it because of "circle jerking"." (c)

it is EXTREMELY ironic that this is THE guy who demands posters who dont accept his [false] statement should be removed, don't you think ?


to disprove the 'assertion' that lab is the most disliked content you would actually have to prove it first. burden of proof is on you. count of posts in that thread isnt a proof of this. neither you nor anyone who is not working at GGG and can view concrete numbers with correlation to content can prove this, sorry.

even moreso, I would say to prove that something is most liked/disliked something, you would need a rigid system where voting just once per person is actively and mercilessly enforced. if theres a way for one person to vote multiple times or somehow make it seem like his opinion carries more weight *by voting multiple times - you can view it as posting in your thread in case you havent picked up on that yet), then its not a proof of anything. again, this is how scientific proof is given.

ie, that bestiary net voting poll is not an actual proof of people disliking the state of bestiary at that point in time. it was a farce.
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grepman wrote:
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Turtledove wrote:
Shovelcut proving that he was wrong on the assertion that it was the longest thread on the forum does not disprove the assertion that labyrinth is the most disliked content in PoE.


it was not an assertion. it was a statement of fact, that was factually wrong.

not only that but in the form it was made, I remind you:

"There's a 790 page thread, no other thread in the history of POE has ever even come close to that, but you don't accept it because of "circle jerking"." (c)

it is EXTREMELY ironic that this is THE guy who demands posters who dont accept his [false] statement should be removed, don't you think ?


to disprove the 'assertion' that lab is the most disliked content you would actually have to prove it first. burden of proof is on you. count of posts in that thread isnt a proof of this. neither you nor anyone who is not working at GGG and can view concrete numbers with correlation to content can prove this, sorry.

even moreso, I would say to prove that something is most liked/disliked something, you would need a rigid system where voting just once per person is actively and mercilessly enforced. if theres a way for one person to vote multiple times or somehow make it seem like his opinion carries more weight *by voting multiple times - you can view it as posting in your thread in case you havent picked up on that yet), then its not a proof of anything. again, this is how scientific proof is given.

ie, that bestiary net voting poll is not an actual proof of people disliking the state of bestiary at that point in time. it was a farce.


I agree with your assertion that it would be difficult to prove such a thing. I don't think it would even be possible for me to prove such a thing. At least not without giving GGG some huge donation or something which I'm not willing to do.

However,I can make an assertion that labyrinth is likely the most disliked content in PoE without having to prove it. I did and I am. Therefore it is proven as fact that I can make such an assertion.

It is silly for you to say that I have to prove it. Just like it would be silly for you to imply that the assertion has been proven false simply because another statement was proven false.

Over 430 threads discussing labyrinth problems with over 1040 posters in support (thread # 1702621) Thank you all! GGG will implement a different method for ascension in PoE2. Retired!
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Shovelcut wrote:
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Legatus1982 wrote:

This is where we are with you Fruz. There's a 790 page thread, no other thread in the history of POE has ever even come close to that, but you don't accept it because of "circle jerking".


https://www.pathofexile.com/forum/view-thread/504429

You were saying?

Wow I had no clue lol, damn ...

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Xtorma wrote:
I have bumped heads with both Fruz and Turtledove on different issues. I have also agreed with them on different issues. they are both passionate and unwavering on the stances they take. For me , this is why we have discussions.

As long as there is room for discussion, disagreements have less of a chance of devolving into conflicts. I think that is why moderators do not involve themselves in the discussions that much on these forums.

I guess I can agree with that.

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grepman wrote:
to disprove the 'assertion' that lab is the most disliked content you would actually have to prove it first. burden of proof is on you. count of posts in that thread isnt a proof of this. neither you nor anyone who is not working at GGG and can view concrete numbers with correlation to content can prove this, sorry.

Yep, people have been trying to explain that for years now, it is not even hard to understand or anything but .... it's just falling on deaf ears so often ...

But those people will add words like "likely" ( see the previous post ) while still having no substancial data to back this up whatsoever, so it's a lost cause imho.
SSF is not and will never be a standard for balance, it is not for people entitled to getting more without trading.
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