Since GGG forced lab down our throats, how about some protection from lab carries that quit or die?

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Xtorma wrote:

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Legatus1982 wrote:

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Xtorma wrote:

As long as there is an options menu, nothing is being forced upon anyone.

Oh

Please do tell how to bypass the lab using the options menu

wut the fuq

press escape key
scroll to bottom
select "Exit Path of Exile"

GGG has already proven that they don't give a monkey turd about you getting scammed. They won't ever do anything. You have been around this game long enough to know this. So why post something you know they will ignore, and will only lead to back and forth between people who have exactly 0 power to do anything about it. If you think about it, there is a very easy way to shut down all lab carry scammers, and that is to make lab solo only.

If you press escape, and exit path of exile forever, they won't miss you. They haven't missed anyone who ever left because of some subjective dislike of a portion of their game. As long as this option exists, you can't claim you are being forced to do anything.

Quitting the game =/= bypass anything

If you are playing POE, you are forced to do lab. No offense but to say otherwise is idiotic

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KiwiGivl wrote:

1) Lab is optional. If you advocate for its removal, you advocate for not using it at all; therefore, just don't use it, because that is the alternative.

Again, this is idiotic. This is the same as saying Merveil is optional because you can stay in act 1. The passive tree is "optional". Gear is "optional". Skill gems are "optional". Keyboards and mice are "optional".

Optional means you don't need to do it to progress in the game. That's not what Merveil is and it's not what lab is.

You aren't saying anything worthwhile, please stop posting this nonsense.

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Legatus1982 wrote:

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KiwiGivl wrote:

1) Lab is optional. If you advocate for its removal, you advocate for not using it at all; therefore, just don't use it, because that is the alternative.

Again, this is idiotic. This is the same as saying Merveil is optional because you can stay in act 1. The passive tree is "optional". Gear is "optional". Skill gems are "optional". Keyboards and mice are "optional".

Optional means you don't need to do it to progress in the game. That's not what Merveil is and it's not what lab is.

You aren't saying anything worthwhile, please stop posting this nonsense.

No.

You don't need uberlab to progress to end game. I am assuming you only get carried for uberlab. Maybe I am wrong and you need to be carried in every lab. I never do labs, any of them until I hit maps. You don't need them. they are optional until that point. They are basically optional until you start doing modded red maps.


Merveil and lab are not equivalent. It's stupid to even suggest such. Please don't make me explain this. You seem to be a smart person, and you want to kind of avoid being idiotic like you accuse others of being.


Mouse and keyboard, once again false equivalency. Please don't make me explain. It would make you look bad.


So optional means it's great to have it, but you don't need it. That being said, if someone, anyone, can kill uber elder without the uber lab ascendancy point, then wouldn't that make it optional?

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Xtorma wrote:

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Legatus1982 wrote:

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KiwiGivl wrote:

1) Lab is optional. If you advocate for its removal, you advocate for not using it at all; therefore, just don't use it, because that is the alternative.

Again, this is idiotic. This is the same as saying Merveil is optional because you can stay in act 1. The passive tree is "optional". Gear is "optional". Skill gems are "optional". Keyboards and mice are "optional".

Optional means you don't need to do it to progress in the game. That's not what Merveil is and it's not what lab is.

You aren't saying anything worthwhile, please stop posting this nonsense.

No.

You don't need uberlab to progress to end game. I am assuming you only get carried for uberlab. Maybe I am wrong and you need to be carried in every lab. I never do labs, any of them until I hit maps. You don't need them. they are optional until that point. They are basically optional until you start doing modded red maps.


Merveil and lab are not equivalent. It's stupid to even suggest such. Please don't make me explain this. You seem to be a smart person, and you want to kind of avoid being idiotic like you accuse others of being.


Mouse and keyboard, once again false equivalency. Please don't make me explain. It would make you look bad.


So optional means it's great to have it, but you don't need it. That being said, if someone, anyone, can kill uber elder without the uber lab ascendancy point, then wouldn't that make it optional?

Sure, if that person could do it using Lightning Strike. Or any other non-meta primary skill.

But really, the "optional" argument IS indeed a weird one. You know those optional sidequests that give you a single passive point? If just ONE of them were a mere fraction as painful to complete I guarantee you there would be a shitstorm on the forums about it.

There are legitimate counter-arguments against the OP's point, but "It's optional man, you can just quit the game" is not one of them. Nor is "You can do without those points until X point in the game, so suck it up mate."

The game is balanced around expected levels of power acquisition, and that includes (for better or worse) carries. It is only because carries exist (and the poetry in the lab seems to support their sanction, contrary to the claims of many) that these complaints exist in the first place.

Me, I play SSF, so I'm immune to this bullshit. But balance does affect me nonetheless. And I also get annoyed by BS arguments. The "optional" one ranks high.

Stop wearing boots, while you're at it. They are "optional."

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Xtorma wrote:

No.

You don't need uberlab to progress to end game. I am assuming you only get carried for uberlab. Maybe I am wrong and you need to be carried in every lab. I never do labs, any of them until I hit maps. You don't need them. they are optional until that point. They are basically optional until you start doing modded red maps.

Merveil and lab are not equivalent. It's stupid to even suggest such. Please don't make me explain this. You seem to be a smart person, and you want to kind of avoid being idiotic like you accuse others of being.

Mouse and keyboard, once again false equivalency. Please don't make me explain. It would make you look bad.

So optional means it's great to have it, but you don't need it. That being said, if someone, anyone, can kill uber elder without the uber lab ascendancy point, then wouldn't that make it optional?

It's funny that you think Merveil being optional is idiotic, since that's an extension of your own logic which I do in fact, agree is idiotic. Somehow Merveil being optional is idiotic to you but lab being optional is logical to you. You don't get to have it both ways, either you believe you need to do the necessary content to complete your character's progression or you don't. Lab ascendancy points are singularly the most powerful buffs your character can get, maybe excepting a small handful of builds. That is not "optional".

I see a lot of controversial opinions here. I do not agree with OP on his suggestion, but I also don't agree with the folks here that claim lab is ''challenging/endgame'' or anything really. It is essentially a chore for many, especially uber lab.

The current Syndicate is a better endgame than the uber garbage lab which is why I am happy to pay my way through to get rid of it as soon as possible. Lab is also extremely frustrating or extremely easy depending on which type of build you have (since some reduce the damage of the traps especially for pesky moments when game teleports you back into the area where you were before, aka lag).

The fact is , some love lab, some hate it.

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andreicde wrote:

It is essentially a chore for many, especially uber lab.

This. It's just some crap you have to do if you want the points.

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Lab is also extremely frustrating or extremely easy depending on which type of build you have (since some reduce the damage of the traps especially for pesky moments when game teleports you back into the area where you were before, aka lag).

I can't imagine a build that has difficulty with traps unless it uses leap slam (which I did with a vaal pact slayer) or some melee movement. Even if it's just for lab, casters should have lightning warp. OP has flame dash with it's miserable teleport distance. I wouldn't do any lab with flame dash lol. Also, only one time I did uber lab with traps at the end because I didn't feel like looking for the darkshrines. Still beat it, but whenever I go for darkshrines, there's always one to disable traps at the end. So it's hard for me to imagine a build that can't get through it.

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ReinEuthanasia wrote:

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andreicde wrote:

It is essentially a chore for many, especially uber lab.

This. It's just some crap you have to do if you want the points.

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Lab is also extremely frustrating or extremely easy depending on which type of build you have (since some reduce the damage of the traps especially for pesky moments when game teleports you back into the area where you were before, aka lag).

I can't imagine a build that has difficulty with traps unless it uses leap slam (which I did with a vaal pact slayer) or some melee movement. Even if it's just for lab, casters should have lightning warp. OP has flame dash with it's miserable teleport distance. I wouldn't do any lab with flame dash lol. Also, only one time I did uber lab with traps at the end because I didn't feel like looking for the darkshrines. Still beat it, but whenever I go for darkshrines, there's always one to disable traps at the end. So it's hard for me to imagine a build that can't get through it.

I am not denying the fact it can be done, just listing one of the many reasons it is a chore. It is also a bit long and if you get any dc, well tough luck, you need to start all over again.

Would I call it ''challenging'' ? Not really.

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ReinEuthanasia wrote:

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andreicde wrote:

It is essentially a chore for many, especially uber lab.

This. It's just some crap you have to do if you want the points.

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Lab is also extremely frustrating or extremely easy depending on which type of build you have (since some reduce the damage of the traps especially for pesky moments when game teleports you back into the area where you were before, aka lag).

I can't imagine a build that has difficulty with traps unless it uses leap slam (which I did with a vaal pact slayer) or some melee movement. Even if it's just for lab, casters should have lightning warp. OP has flame dash with it's miserable teleport distance. I wouldn't do any lab with flame dash lol. Also, only one time I did uber lab with traps at the end because I didn't feel like looking for the darkshrines. Still beat it, but whenever I go for darkshrines, there's always one to disable traps at the end. So it's hard for me to imagine a build that can't get through it.

It's not that they can or can't. It's that they don't want to.

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Legatus1982 wrote:

It's funny that you think Merveil being optional is idiotic, since that's an extension of your own logic which I do in fact, agree is idiotic.

we're achieved levels of irony that should not be possible.