Whats the point of changing ascenday but still forcing lab?

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ciel289 wrote:

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Miazga wrote:

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MrSidious wrote:

there are MORE! people that want the Lab to stay than to go so this post seams a little pointless

I'm pretty sure its the other way around

GGG stated many times that the big majority likes the lab or is ok with it since they only have to run it once.
If you really follow some of the lab threads ,its always the same ppl complaining.

Another falsehood, 979 people have complained about labyrinth on this forum. Over 370 threads discussing labyrinth problems with over 970 posters in support

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Orbaal wrote:

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Turtledove wrote:

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Xtorma wrote:

I want to be able to skip act 4, but still get the rewards.

Please take your off topic posts someplace else.

This is where you lost me.


You dont like things = things should be removed or at least changed to your liking

Someone else doesnt like things and demands changes = off topic



Thats the textbook definition of a hypocrite

Since you obviously lack understanding, let me try to help you. His post belongs in the Feedback and Suggestions forum is true but in a thread discussing Act 4 or perhaps in a thread where skipping parts of the game but still getting the rewards are being discussed. Since neither of those things are being discussed in this thread then his post is off topic for this thread. If this apparently nuanced difference still eludes your understanding then please ask for further clarification and I'll be happy to try to help you further.

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Turtledove wrote:

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ciel289 wrote:

GGG stated many times that the big majority likes the lab or is ok with it since they only have to run it once.
If you really follow some of the lab threads ,its always the same ppl complaining.

Another falsehood, 979 people have complained about labyrinth on this forum. Over 370 threads discussing labyrinth problems with over 970 posters in support

I'd say 979 people defined as any sort of 'big majority' is the falsehood. Your thread is loud and long but it is not in any way representative of the majority of PoE's player base. It is a significant number (edit: in forum terms) but compared to the player concurrency even now but especially during the lively period of a new league it's almost negligible. Don't lose that larger perspective just because you've created an excellent echo chamber.

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sidtherat wrote:

you confuse opinions with facts

if someone states things like he/she did - it is better supported with facts, data

otherwise it is just babling

note: all kind of 'give me something good for free' movements attract huge crowds just because of a) current mentality among young people who expect the word to change around them b) less effort is good(TM) c) the chance of success is low but the cost is even lower so why not try and maybe there actually will be some free things for nothing?

Sorry sidtherat, you are confusing opinion with facts. We are giving our opinion on the disliked labyrinth. You on the other hand state false facts in the labyrinth threads like labyrinth is a build check against glass cannon builds. So to summarize, we're giving our opinion on the disliked labyrinth and you are here spewing false facts. See the difference?

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The_Scourge wrote:

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Turtledove wrote:

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ciel289 wrote:

GGG stated many times that the big majority likes the lab or is ok with it since they only have to run it once.
If you really follow some of the lab threads ,its always the same ppl complaining.

Another falsehood, 979 people have complained about labyrinth on this forum. Over 370 threads discussing labyrinth problems with over 970 posters in support

I'd say 979 people defined as any sort of 'big majority' is the falsehood. Your thread is loud and long but it is not in any way representative of the majority of PoE's player base. It is a significant number but compared to the player concurrency even now but especially during the lively period of a new league it's almost negligible. Don't lose that larger perspective just because you've created an excellent echo chamber.

Logical straw-man argument silliness, I never claimed it was a majority. Read again, I only claimed that it was not ALWAYS the same people complaining. Now if you're arguing that 979 is the same people always complaining then that is also false since that list is still growing.

Lab is shit

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Turtledove wrote:

Another falsehood, 979 people have complained about labyrinth on this forum. Over 370 threads discussing labyrinth problems with over 970 posters in support

Yes, you've counted that many threads and posters in the game's history. But we should note that many of those complaints were addressed and the lab was changed yet your counting only goes one direction. I once showed you two people who discovered they were lab haters by seeing their names on your list. I don¡t think you ever removed their names because they didn't bother to send you a message requesting that. But until you remove the topics and posters that had their issues fixed (like trap damage to energy shield builds), you list is merely people who at one time didn¡t like something about the lab but currently may be fine with it.

P.S. I second the motion to remove act 4. At least from the Chrystal Veins on. It's tedious and boring and I also don't like it.

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Turtledove wrote:

Logical straw-man argument silliness, I never claimed it was a majority. Read again, I only claimed that it was not ALWAYS the same people complaining. Now if you're arguing that 979 is the same people always complaining then that is also false since that list is still growing.

Statistical analysis: when doing the proper Bayesian statistics this translates to less than 1% of the 5 million people player base reported a year or so ago having any negative feelings about the lab ever since it's implementation, and not accounting for the rising total population since then or people whose feelings have changed since updates.

The statement in [urlhttps://www.pathofexile.com/forum/view-thread/1702621]Over 370 threads discussing labyrinth problems with over 970 posters in support[/url] regarding labyrinth changes in 3.0 is the following

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Post PoE 3.0, GGG has made some significant improvements to the disliked labyrinth. They’ve eliminated most trap gauntlets in the first two labyrinths and significantly reduced the number of trials required. This has improved the game enough to get me to start playing PoE again. Starting 8/16/2017 I will just add names and put an “&” after the name. The other above analysis will not be done, except for the “+” for new thread starters.

For example, I have added an "&" after I saw Willemoesium's post above. So now his entry in the list is
Willemoesium ++ o$&

I don't like being broke on day 1 of a league, with all these new currency ggg is adding why can't i just start rich?