150 points map tab bollocks BONUS: Fragment tab is 75 points, totaling at 22,5$!
" That's cool what you do or do not support. I'm just saying with the reality of it, PoE is on the top of the market for any f2p model. Literally saying that you aren't the best in the f2p because you have to sell stash space for $$$ is pointless. They will lose a ton of $$$ for close to 0 benefits. What's the point, so they can claim they are the number 1 f2p game instead of the number 3-5? How many people give would that actually get to buy more cosmetics knowing that instead of being SLIGHTLY under valve for best f2p games they are equal to a company that makes 100s of millions of more dollars with a multitude of more games and most popular publisher/vendor for the entire PC gaming market. Last edited by RagnarokChu#4426 on Jan 18, 2018, 7:20:41 AM
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" Lootboxes has the same psychological of addiction as slot machine, literally. When you put ypur chips in roulette, you know what you can get as well, nothing or a multiplier of your chip value. I guess roulette is not gambling as well. Only in GGG forum where players ill defense the undefendable. Lootboxes are univerally hated in just about any game community |
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" Amen. The fallacy of the vast majority of PoE forum posters in a nutshell. And people still wonder why nobody from GGG ever replies here... if I worked for them, I wouldn't. Unfortunately for some of you, I don't... :) Carry on my waypoint son, there'll be peace when maps are done.
Lay your portal gem to rest, don't you die no more. 'Cause it's a bitter sweet symphony this league. Try to make maps meet, you're a slave to the meta, then you leave. |
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You always get something from loot boxes. With gambling it is very possible to lose with no gains. It is not the same.
Furthermore loot boxes are a great alternative considering how stupidly expensive GGG's cosmetics are. |
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" I think your mistaking describing a business being ethical and "supporting it". When open a lootbox, you know exactly what you can get too. A number of results at fixes percentages assuming the lootbox is ethical. Which is exactly what roulette is, lulwut. Both of them are gambling, which has nothing to do with being ethical. A casino can be ethical or nonethical, such as rigging the games. Changing the percentages, making the game unfair towards the player, and other factors. Gambling is a service they are providing, the service itself cannot be described as ethical or unethical for the business providing towards it's customer. Providing the ability to gamble is not ethical or unethical. Describing a lootbox as ethical or nonethical is not the game as saying that it should be in video games or if the loot box itself is p2w or otherwise. But if we are talking about p2w, the PoE box is all cosmetic so it put that to rest. Also on the last tib-bit, lootboxes are "universally hated" in just about any gaming community. But they are nearly in every popular game in existence and pay out millions easily per year to each company that has it in their game. Apprantly the community wants to say a lot of things but not actually do anything about it. The games that are even more f2p (and cheaper mtx for single sets) and popular then PoE (including b2p games) have lootboxes with cosmetics that can be worth 100$s more then POE, and sometimes almost entirely run on lootboxes like dota 2 or team fortress. Yet again these are facts and not a commentary of support or nonsupport, just stating this before people get up on their high horse about "community" or holding up GGG to a magical pedestal that nobody else in the world sits on. Last edited by RagnarokChu#4426 on Jan 18, 2018, 8:05:39 AM
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" People do not wonder why GGG never reply here. Because people actually know why they don't. They don't do that so that they don't affect the course of discussion. At least they claim so. Real knowledge is to know the extent of one's ignorance.
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" The reason people constantly come back to defend this game and its developer has little to do with them and lots to do with the apple and oranges comparisons made by people like you. Roulette doesn't even come close to having similarities with mystery boxes. It's mindboggling to think you believe they are the same. Presented with decent and grounded arguments against mystery boxes, only a real fanboy would deny it. I bet you'd be surprised by how few there really are. Shame we will never find out, because all you do is repeat the same old flawed logic you started with. If you're not open to criticism, you're not a part of a discussion, but a dictation. Carry on my waypoint son, there'll be peace when maps are done. Lay your portal gem to rest, don't you die no more. 'Cause it's a bitter sweet symphony this league. Try to make maps meet, you're a slave to the meta, then you leave. Last edited by Xavathos#5130 on Jan 18, 2018, 9:07:37 AM
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" I honestly agree with you that the specific stash tabs are not really p2w: they are just something useful and requested from the players. That's ok. Im including in those even the currency tab, which to be honest is fuckin great (the best special tab imho). In fact, aside from normal tabs, I just bought the currency tab, and not the other special tabs considering that the i could get the same benefit with normal tabs (at lower price). Premium tabs are really handy, but since there are other things like acquisition, you can live with only normal tabs. Though its true that the game today is unplayable with 4 normal tabs. Hell im having problems with 16 normal tabs + currency tab. And I know people are struggling with 10 quad-tabs and other special tabs. I dont know if you remember how the game was just 5 years ago. Game was very slow, and so drop/currency were less. Now the speed is crazy and with all the new content that every 3 months arrives, it is impossible to say that the player can reach the endgame with only 4 tabs without going crazy. I mean, there's so many things to do/farm today, but you can only do only if you have the items (maps, atziri fragments, offering to the goddess, key for council, breach splinters, ecc.). And then, you NEED 100 times of the currency you needed years ago in order to buy decent gear to play for the endgame content, because the speedfarm is so high for everyone. That's so many slot in tab stash occupied by maps, by currency that are limited to a maximum stack of 10 (alchs and chaos orbs), then add hundreds of divination cards, splinters, and other shit. Game is changed. I dont like how's is the game changing in these years but i didn't expect that the game stays the same: it was something predictable. And so, even GGG need to understand that since the game has changed, they could change the resources for new accounts. I think that Perq has a point. I just think that GGG should give more normal tabs for the new accounts, like 6-8 instead of 4. Though i understand that, in the end, they need (and deserve) money for those service. And that's why i dont have anything to say about the price of premium tabs, or divination card tab/essence tab or other ones. (sorry for the bad english, hope i was somewhat clear) Last edited by Serge91#5363 on Jan 18, 2018, 9:18:13 AM
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"I use to think like you, putting majority of time on temp league, been playing temp league since perandus anyway. 3.0 is great addition that hold me for while @ harbinger, but after repeat the leveling process a while, One will get burned out. *I was actually struggling to get even 12 challenge or reach Kitava act 10 when I in previous league i could do 25+ to 30+ challenge. Real life also doesnt helps, when one get less and less gaming time. Standard league is way to to go for long term. but seeing they gutted standard is....saddening.. at this point I am not even sure it will exist anymore in 2years. Last edited by Darkkrows#6635 on Jan 18, 2018, 9:33:32 AM
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" Oh I do think he has a point aswell. He just brings it in a way I can't agree with. I think you can fully enjoy your first 100-200 hours with 4 stash tabs just fine. After that you probably should consider spending 10 bucks and making your life abit easier (And if you really don't want to do that, you got about 20 character slots (Wow so much f2p :D) and if that is still not enough to hoard stuff on, you can make another account and hoard more there. (Not SSF applicable!!!) Like I mentioned before, they are trying to put GGG in the same line as mobile games/ other 'not really' f2p games. You know the ones that have 1-2 character slots, 1 bag slot (Rest payed) Content locked behind paywalls etc etc etc. Thats not even CLOSE to what this game is at all. GGG went from a garage to a company with alot of employees that all need to be payed. I think they have been very reasonable in keeping the game as free as possible, while still ensuring they have food to eat. |
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