150 points map tab bollocks BONUS: Fragment tab is 75 points, totaling at 22,5$!

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Darkkrows wrote:

thats why they needed special stash tab to get your money.

Because we are given free new set of stash tab every time a league start, when the league end, it become remove-only stash. And it stays there for eternity unless the player clean them up. (there is not even an incentive for player to clean them up). If he didnt play standard, he will leave there as it is. Remove-only stash no matter how small it is still cost some money for hosting. Every 3 months the entire player population add many thousands of them.

Had everyone of us, including myself just play permanent league all day. All the items/currencies we accumulated over the years will have force us to keep buying more stash to keep our hoarding habits.

Right now? they are stuck in that loop, they have to keep creating better MTX, more special stash to extract money out from player. MTX also wont sell if it is shittier than the old one. Creativity has its limits, at some point it is going to be very difficult to make better MTX beating your best ones.

Like I said b4, map/fragment stash wont be the last. At least for now special stash tab and loot box MTX is their main source of cash.

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Chalace2 wrote:

You can do absolutely everything in-game without all those tabs.
The game is free, free to download, free to play, free to do every single bit of content.... no bullshit argument you make will change that FACT.

Tabs are a convenience, and you are in no position to demand anything.
Players with even hundreds, never mind thousands of hours played, complaining about a few £ so the game can keep developing are a fucking joke. Either jobless state scroungers or spoilt kids that think they are entitled to anything.

Feel free to 'rage quit' out of protest.
Tho your most likely going to need to fork out $60 up-front for any new game, Enjoy.

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Chalace2 wrote:

You are simply too stubborn to break your own delusional logic.

So your argument is 'now' that in a game that is by all accounts completely non-competitive, tabs are P2W... Anyone that thinks otherwise is simply making a non-argument and/or insulting you. Keep that up, I'm sure it will get you far in life.

I most certainly can tell you "you are not in a position to demand anything" Because you are not. The fact you think you are is the point I was making... again so oblivious, the notion that you seem to think your 'demands' should be met with open arms is laughable. Welcome to the real world.

You have done nothing but repeat the same old pointless arguments, time and time again. Just because you bought some supporter packs makes your failed logic no more agreeable.
Furthermore, nothing I said even remotely translated to 'you must pay to have an opinion' again, just making up wild interpretations to allow for an insult, in an attempt to discredit. Good job.

The fact you took my generic post personally just shows how delusional you are, making both my previous response and this one a waste of time. You actually seem to think you are important here, the center of the universe. You have no interest in listening to either logic or anyone else's opinion on the subject.

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RagnarokChu wrote:

Idunno why people are legit debating if stash tabs and any variants are "p2w" or not.

PoE as a whole is as "ethically" f2p possible on the market without the game literally being free. It's free to play, emphasis on to play. Not literally unlocked every single possible thing in the game for free.

Debating that it's 99% ethically f2p instead of 100% is as contrary and asinine as possible. The ONLY other high-quality game that is 99.9% f2p instead of 99% like PoE is dota 2, or team fortress 2 years after the game was released when you had to buy it.

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KiadawP wrote:

GG is unethnic, no "quotation mark" when they start having lootbox. period.

Theer are many F2P games that is not P2win, but they don't charge an arm & your-mother-in-law for MTX.

The price GGG charges are completely out of touch.

I challenge anyone here, to name a game that charge anywhere (within 10%) of what GGG charge for an armor ($48)

I google "Game with most expensive MTX armor"
Guess which game shown up in the top of the search?
https://www.google.de/search?ei=oodgWrG8JcyssAHLu7mQDA&q=game+with+most+pricey+mtx+armor+&oq=game+with+most+pricey+mtx+armor+&gs_l=psy-ab.3...53308.66422.0.66863.29.29.0.0.0.0.141.2735.20j9.29.0....0...1c.1.64.psy-ab..2.4.422...33i21k1j33i160k1.0.3qd2nP5Wmko

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Char1983 wrote:

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Chalace2 wrote:

You can do absolutely everything in-game without all those tabs.
The game is free, free to download, free to play, free to do every single bit of content.... no bullshit argument you make will change that FACT.

I doubt that.

For example, try beating Elder in an SSF league with the standard stash tabs. Try competing for the first level 100 in an SSF league. Good luck, I guess you are at a significant competitive disadvantage compared to other players. And yes, competition IS part of the game design, so for it to be true F2P, that part of the game should be F2P as well, and payments should not give competitive advantages. They do.

Try doing the same in a trade league (competing for level 100 with you and your friends all having only the standard 4 tabs and no premium tabs). Do you think that is going to be realistic?


If you play with the standard 4 tabs, either SSF or not, you will have to discard things that you otherwise would have kept. There are more divination card base types than a stash tab can hold these days, and there are more map bases than a stash tab can hold. Essences, not sure, but there are quite a few as well. Also, not sure how much space holding 1500 Vaal orbs and 1500 Fusings (for 6-linking corrupted items) will take, you can do the math yourself if you want.


4 Stash tabs was fine when there were no divination cards, no essences, less map types, generally less base types, and no need to keep 3 of each map base type to hunt down Elder. Things have changed.

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RagnarokChu wrote:

PoE as a whole is as "ethically" f2p possible on the market without the game literally being free. It's free to play, emphasis on to play. Not literally unlocked every single possible thing in the game for free.

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The game is completely free and will never be "pay to win".

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KiadawP wrote:

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RagnarokChu wrote:

Idunno why people are legit debating if stash tabs and any variants are "p2w" or not.

PoE as a whole is as "ethically" f2p possible on the market without the game literally being free. It's free to play, emphasis on to play. Not literally unlocked every single possible thing in the game for free.

Debating that it's 99% ethically f2p instead of 100% is as contrary and asinine as possible. The ONLY other high-quality game that is 99.9% f2p instead of 99% like PoE is dota 2, or team fortress 2 years after the game was released when you had to buy it.

GG is unethnic, no "quotation mark" when they start having lootbox. period.

Theer are many F2P games that is not P2win, but they don't charge an arm & your-mother-in-law for MTX.

The price GGG charges are completely out of touch.

I challenge anyone here, to name a game that charge anywhere (within 10%) of what GGG charge for an armor ($48)

I google "Game with most expensive MTX armor"
Guess which game shown up in the top of the search?
https://www.google.de/search?ei=oodgWrG8JcyssAHLu7mQDA&q=game+with+most+pricey+mtx+armor+&oq=game+with+most+pricey+mtx+armor+&gs_l=psy-ab.3...53308.66422.0.66863.29.29.0.0.0.0.141.2735.20j9.29.0....0...1c.1.64.psy-ab..2.4.422...33i21k1j33i160k1.0.3qd2nP5Wmko