Change % damage from traps to flat damage in lab already.

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Zrevnur wrote:

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Entropic_Fire wrote:

You saw universal hatred and a dead league and here I am still playing that league with tons of other people who apparently didn't have any problem with the lab.

Not directly related to your current discussion with "Pyrokar" but:
Given the "tons of other people" who are still playing PHC and dont have a problem with the lab: Then why are there only so few actually doing it? It is more rewarding than anything else in the game. 56 pps have done PHC uber lab today.

Adding:

15.46% of the ladder are Juggernauts. See http://poestatistics.com/hardcore-prophecy/
64.29% (36 of 56) of uber lab runners (today only) are Juggernauts. https://www.pathofexile.com/labyrinth/Hardcore%20Prophecy/4/1470355200

IMO this clearly indicates that many players with chars not specifically built for the lab "apparently" actually do have a problem with the lab. Lab including Izaro which may not be what your argument was about.

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Entropic_Fire wrote:

I have only run the lab once per difficulty because:
A) it's so dangerous
B) you get much less benefit after the first time

I guess this is then based on a different understanding of the phrase "have no problem with". You may have meant "have no problem with its existence/structure/whatever" whereas I interpreted it as "have no problems doing it" == "can easily do it".

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Wow. Ok, I give up. One final rant and I'm going off the crusade.

thanks to my best opponent here 'goetzjam' I found this pre-prophecy podcast with Chris Wilson which I didn't see before (because, you know, who the **** played prophecy? Not a third of my lads from hc, that's for sure.)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OlCEAei3fAo "State of Exile Ep:53 ft. Chris Wilson - PROPHECY League - All Is Foretold!". At 39:23 Chris talks about people ******** about the lab.

They comepletely miss the point.

I knew youtubers generally get manipulated easily and rarely formulate insights into the game on their own, even though their knowledge is on point, but... damn. Wasn't so dissapointed since I saw lately one of those guys argue that trading restricted through 3rd party website is good because it doesn't let items overflow while they are frustrated that it's hard to trade but then it's actually good that trade is bad because facilitating trade will break the economy. Amazing. It's almost like they get paid to talk but not to think.

Same **** again, completely missing the point and focusing on symptoms rather than the disease, not perceptive enough to get what's the true underlying BS.

One last time;
Lab is fine.
Ascendancy points tied up to lab is fine.
Traps are fine.
Izaro chain is fine.
...ready? ok now pay attention:
TRAP MECHANICS ARE ******* TERRIBLE.

stay safe

no do not do this

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Problem: HC suffers ever since ascendancy came out, because lab is broken.

trnaslate: lab reuqire skill to do it, Op dont have skill. OP want lab to be easier so he can brag about his HC skills.

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Fightgarr wrote:

no do not do this

lol ok, glad you're entertained by the arguments or just find it silly enough to have fun with it, but seriously, there is no point.

We get all confused for a mass of cryababies that just suck at the game and should get better. People with actual arguments that try to pinpoint where exactly has GGG obviously failed (looking at the numbers) get lost in it.

For that reason, he basically said it - they don't care. They might take a second look into it now that they know the decline in playerbase, but for me it's bad enough that people cried and they didn't take into consideration that they actually might be right.

"people hate the lab"
"some people don't like some people like and it's not like we can do good game going bland middle ground"
"lol yeah compromise sucks"

The "why" of the question was not even glanced upon. They are all in deep, it's hopeless, gg.

/edit: TY! look at the guy above me for example

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kamil1210 wrote:

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Problem: HC suffers ever since ascendancy came out, because lab is broken.

trnaslate: lab reuqire skill to do it, Op dont have skill. OP want lab to be easier so he can brag about his HC skills.

look at his profile. thanks for proving my point.

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Entropic_Fire wrote:

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Razis wrote:

One last time;
Lab is fine.
Ascendancy points tied up to lab is fine.
Traps are fine.
Izaro chain is fine.
...ready? ok now pay attention:
TRAP MECHANICS ARE ******* TERRIBLE.

stay safe

I can see why you think that. It sucks that people with their own agendas will co-opt any thread tangentially related to the lab to try and push their viewpoint, and unfortunately anyone criticizing the lab for any reason gets lumped in with them.

yes.

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Entropic_Fire wrote:

I think allowing all sources of avoidance and mitigation to affect trap damage might be a better way to go than switching traps to a flat damage rather than a percentage. As it stands the mitigation that works vs. doesn't feels totally arbitrary. I think if they allowed all sources of mitigation and avoidance to apply to all trap damage and increased the trap damage to compensate it would feel a lot more fair.

might argue that building ehp pool is also a way of defence just as mitigation, but yeah I see your point and you're right. Let's just hope the step they've made with ES effectivnes on ehp % trap dps, is one of many.