Over 430 threads discussing labyrinth problems with over 1040 posters in support DONE!!!!!

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Shovelcut wrote:

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Turtledove wrote:

It is not credible to argue that someone had many dozens of alt accounts stowed away prior to the release of labyrinth, March 2016, so that they could compromise a list that was first created by Zaludoz on September 14, 2016, https://www.pathofexile.com/forum/view-thread/1702621/page/49.

That was never the argument, the point is that you going thru the list and checking creation dates and making an absolute statement such as "there are only 3 or 4 alt accounts" is absolutely meaningless and baseless. Yeah, many players had multiple accounts created before March 2016 most likely as mule accounts.

Say what you will, I know someone who has 30+ accounts made before that date and he's likely not the only one. I have 3 myself, 5 if you include both of my sons accounts.

Am I saying that they are using them for nefarious purposes? Nope, just stating a fact.

What is not credible is going thru the creation dates and saying that because they were created prior to March they cannot be alt accounts. This is the only point I'm trying to refute. It's just pointing out that your method is flawed.

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"680" posters...have you went and verified it's 680 individual people and not the same handful regurgitating the same QQ in other threads.

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Turtledove wrote:

There is only maybe 3 or 4 alt accounts.

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Shovelcut wrote:

That was never the argument, the point is that you going thru the list and checking creation dates and making an absolute statement such as "there are only 3 or 4 alt accounts" is absolutely meaningless and baseless.

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Turtledove wrote:

Sorry, you're flat out wrong. I never claimed there were no alt accounts.

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Turtledove wrote:

If you still don't believe then you need to visit a therapist.

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Shovelcut wrote:

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Turtledove wrote:

There is only maybe 3 or 4 alt accounts.

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Shovelcut wrote:

That was never the argument, the point is that you going thru the list and checking creation dates and making an absolute statement such as "there are only 3 or 4 alt accounts" is absolutely meaningless and baseless.

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Turtledove wrote:

Sorry, you're flat out wrong. I never claimed there were no alt accounts.

Holy fuck! Do you even read?

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Turtledove wrote:

If you still don't believe then you need to visit a therapist.

You need to take your own advice, seriously...

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Turtledove wrote:

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Shovelcut wrote:

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Turtledove wrote:

There is only maybe 3 or 4 alt accounts.

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Shovelcut wrote:

That was never the argument, the point is that you going thru the list and checking creation dates and making an absolute statement such as "there are only 3 or 4 alt accounts" is absolutely meaningless and baseless.

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Turtledove wrote:

Sorry, you're flat out wrong. I never claimed there were no alt accounts.

Holy fuck! Do you even read?

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Turtledove wrote:

If you still don't believe then you need to visit a therapist.

You need to take your own advice, seriously...

So you think it is a handful of people that make up those 691 accounts? Looney Toons

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lagwin1980 wrote:

"680" posters...have you went and verified it's 680 individual people and not the same handful regurgitating the same QQ in other threads.

Even then, minority vs majority, even assuming that only part of the minority have said anything you are still going to be under 10% of players (being generous with the guess)

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I started looking at some other data. An "o" after the name means the account is older than March 2016. A "$" after the name means that a supporter title is in the profile. An "*" after the name means that neither of those is the case. This was done in response to paranoid people that said I or someone else was creating alt accounts just to up the numbers on the list. This irrational argument has been soundly laid to rest because there are fewer than 4% of the accounts with an *.

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Shovelcut wrote:

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Turtledove wrote:

It is not credible to argue that someone had many dozens of alt accounts stowed away prior to the release of labyrinth, March 2016, so that they could compromise a list that was first created by Zaludoz on September 14, 2016, https://www.pathofexile.com/forum/view-thread/1702621/page/49.

That was never the argument, the point is that you going thru the list and checking creation dates and making an absolute statement such as "there are only 3 or 4 alt accounts" is absolutely meaningless and baseless. Yeah, many players had multiple accounts created before March 2016 most likely as mule accounts.

Say what you will, I know someone who has 30+ accounts made before that date and he's likely not the only one. I have 3 myself, 5 if you include both of my sons accounts.

Am I saying that they are using them for nefarious purposes? Nope, just stating a fact.

What is not credible is going thru the creation dates and saying that because they were created prior to March they cannot be alt accounts. This is the only point I'm trying to refute. It's just pointing out that your method is flawed.

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Turtledove wrote:

I started looking at some other data. An "o" after the name means the account is older than March 2016. A "$" after the name means that a supporter title is in the profile. An "*" after the name means that neither of those is the case.

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Turtledove wrote:

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silumit wrote:

Hell, even if every one of listed account had 2-3 alts, that'd still be about 300 unique people who don't like Lab. But WKs can't be beaten with reason because they don't want to.

Silumit, thank you for posting your opinion on this issue. I have interpreted your post to be in support of there being a need to improve labyrinth or to move the ascendancy points to a challenge outside labyrinth. I have therefore added your name to the list. You are number 691 on the list. If I've misinterpreted your post or you'd like your name removed from the list then please let me know.

As the list grows longer our voices grow stronger.

P.S. Please note that Silumit's account was created years ago and has high level toons associated with the account. Also he posts 2.43 times per day on the average. Yet he has decided to make his first post on labyrinth today. (Or at least this is the first time Zaludoz or I noticed him posting.) I will vouch for Silumit not being an alt account and I'm convinced that he is a real person that thinks that PoE is a great game. I also think there is a good chance that he practices good personal hygiene and would decide to not destroy the world should he ever be faced with such a decision.

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Shovelcut wrote:

No, I just stated that your "account checking" system is flawed and that you're making dishonest statements by saying that there are only 3 or 4 alt accounts on the list.

In a last ditch attempt, everything I've stated in todays exchange is in reference to the following quote...

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Turtledove wrote:

I started looking at some other data. An "o" after the name means the account is older than March 2016. A "$" after the name means that a supporter title is in the profile. An "*" after the name means that neither of those is the case.

None of that matters because you can't check whether or not these are alt accounts. An alt account doesn't have to have been created recently, many people have multiple accounts. Your continuous claims that "there are only 3 or 4 alt accounts" is something you absolutely cannot verify. You also cannot verify who does and doesn't have supporter packs so signifying that on the list is also meaningless.

You claim you're trying to do the honest thing and be transparent, then stop making these claims.

You're welcome to go back through and re-read everything but I doubt that would help clarify, you seem only willing to jump to conclusions and then imply I need therapy.

Edit: Also, I'm pretty sure I've admitted to you in PM's that I didn't believe it was only a handful of people responsible for the posts. But keep acting like that's the claim I'm making. :)