Over 430 threads discussing labyrinth problems with over 1040 posters in support DONE!!!!!

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Shovelcut wrote:

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lagwin1980 wrote:

"680" posters...have you went and verified it's 680 individual people and not the same handful regurgitating the same QQ in other threads.

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Turtledove wrote:

Yes I have. -snip- This was done in response to paranoid people that said I or someone else was creating alt accounts just to up the numbers on the list. This irrational argument has been soundly laid to rest because there are fewer than 4% of the accounts with an *.

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Turtledove wrote:

I've added your name to the list. I know you are using an alt account.

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FixLabPLSGGG wrote:

my army of bump alts.

Yeah...

If you're being serious then you too are suffering from paranoia. Look at the list. The vast majority of accounts were created prior to March 2016. The few accounts that were created after March about a quarter to a third have a supporter title. Most of the rest seem like regular accounts that were simply created in March or later. There is only maybe 3 or 4 alt accounts. There are multiple valid reasons for people using alt accounts. There being so few alt accounts proves that no nefarious padding of the list is going on.

I really hope that these simple and easily verifiable facts can help you in your healing process to get over your paranoia. To reiterate, easily verifiable; Just think about it. Go look at the list. Do some spot checking. Let the healing begin.

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Turtledove wrote:

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Shovelcut wrote:

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lagwin1980 wrote:

"680" posters...have you went and verified it's 680 individual people and not the same handful regurgitating the same QQ in other threads.

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Turtledove wrote:

Yes I have. -snip- This was done in response to paranoid people that said I or someone else was creating alt accounts just to up the numbers on the list. This irrational argument has been soundly laid to rest because there are fewer than 4% of the accounts with an *.

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Turtledove wrote:

I've added your name to the list. I know you are using an alt account.

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FixLabPLSGGG wrote:

my army of bump alts.

Yeah...

If you're being serious then you too are suffering from paranoia. Look at the list. The vast majority of accounts were created prior to March 2016. The few accounts that were created after March about a quarter to a third have a supporter title. Most of the rest seem like regular accounts that were simply created in March or later. There is only maybe 3 or 4 alt accounts. There are multiple valid reasons for people using alt accounts. There being so few alt accounts proves that no nefarious padding of the list is going on.

I really hope that these simple and easily verifiable facts can help you in your healing process to get over your paranoia. To reiterate, easily verifiable; Just think about it. Go look at the list. Do some spot checking. Let the healing begin.

You can't prove or verify jack shit. Just because it's not a new account doesn't mean it's not an alt. People had multiple mule accounts way before the whole laby debacle. So go ahead and continue wasting your time trying to verify the unverifiable.

What can be proven is that you've knowingly added alt accounts to the list to inflate the numbers, as it shows in that unedited boldened quote. Paranoia not required...

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krunchor wrote:

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Docbp87 wrote:

It is pretty clear you have no idea what you're talking about.

Pretty clear you are team no life, your opinion has no value in this discussion.

Wat. Also, what in the fuck does RMT have to do with the Lab? LMAO.

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Shovelcut wrote:

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Turtledove wrote:

If you're being serious then you too are suffering from paranoia. Look at the list. The vast majority of accounts were created prior to March 2016. The few accounts that were created after March about a quarter to a third have a supporter title. Most of the rest seem like regular accounts that were simply created in March or later. There is only maybe 3 or 4 alt accounts. There are multiple valid reasons for people using alt accounts. There being so few alt accounts proves that no nefarious padding of the list is going on.

I really hope that these simple and easily verifiable facts can help you in your healing process to get over your paranoia. To reiterate, easily verifiable; Just think about it. Go look at the list. Do some spot checking. Let the healing begin.

You can't prove or verify jack shit. Just because it's not a new account doesn't mean it's not an alt. People had multiple mule accounts way before the whole laby debacle. So go ahead and continue wasting your time trying to verify the unverifiable.

What can be proven is that you've knowingly added alt accounts to the list to inflate the numbers, as it shows in that unedited boldened quote. Paranoia not required...

You are talking nonsense. I'm not inflating any numbers. Like I stated there are only 3 or 4 alt accounts in the list. I'm trying to not be an asshole jerk judging people in the worst light possible. So you're saying that a large percentage of the 689 accounts on the list are the same person?!?!?? That's absolutely ridiculous, don't be paranoid. There are valid reasons for using an alt account. For example,

Perhaps someone didn't want to post their feelings about labyrinth using their normal playing account because they don't want that impacting their friendships or alienating someone that has a rabid hatred of people that don't like the labyrinth. Or perhaps they are a Streamer or frequent player representative to GGG and don't want their views on labyrinth to color those kind of relationships.

Or it could be something as simple and innocent as someone posting from work and not remembering their password to their home account where they play the game from.

These people have every right to let their voice be heard. If there were hundreds then you would have an argument but with only 3 or 4 alt accounts you're just being paranoid.

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Turtledove wrote:

You are talking nonsense.

Am I really? Seems pretty logical to me.

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Turtledove wrote:

I'm not inflating any numbers.

If you're knowingly adding alt accounts to the list, you sure are.

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Turtledove wrote:

Like I stated there are only 3 or 4 alt accounts in the list.

And you know this how? There is no possible way for you to know how many alt accounts have posted on the subject.

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Turtledove wrote:

I'm trying to not be an asshole jerk judging people in the worst light possible.

If that's true, then why you keep trying to diagnose peoples mental states? Or throwing names like "troll", "whiteknight" or comparing people with opposing views to shit eating insects...

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Turtledove wrote:

So you're saying that a large percentage of the 689 accounts on the list are the same person?!?!?? That's absolutely ridiculous, don't be paranoid.

Can you point to where I said anything of the sort? Talking like that sure makes you seem like the paranoid one. All I've done is pointed out the obvious.

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Turtledove wrote:

There are valid reasons for using an alt account. For example,

Perhaps someone didn't want to post their feelings about labyrinth using their normal playing account because they don't want that impacting their friendships or alienating someone that has a rabid hatred of people that don't like the labyrinth. Or perhaps they are a Streamer or frequent player representative to GGG and don't want their views on labyrinth to color those kind of relationships.

Or it could be something as simple and innocent as someone posting from work and not remembering their password to their home account where they play the game from.

Sounds like more paranoid conjecture to me.

And why the fuck would any streamer feel the need to hide their identity because of their opinion on the laby? They've all talked about it openly on their streams or on podcasts.

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Turtledove wrote:

These people have every right to let their voice be heard.

Again, point out where I said they didn't.

So if you think there are hundreds of alt accounts in the list then you're being paranoid. If you don't then you're just being combative with no goal?

The goal was to call you out on how you defend your list by calling people paranoid and trying to discredit their opinions/questions with logical fallacies.

Perhaps stick with the facts and leave the conjecture out of it.

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Shovelcut wrote:

The goal was to call you out on how you defend your list by calling people paranoid and trying to discredit their opinions/questions with logical fallacies.

Perhaps stick with the facts and leave the conjecture out of it.

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Oh and I'm being combative because your posts often trigger me. :P

I've tried to be very open and transparent. For example I specifically marked the accounts with an "*" if they didn't have a supporter title and were created after March 1, 2016. This was done to make it as easy as I could for people to locate and inspect those account profiles if they wanted to. See the OP.

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An "o" after the name means the account is older than March 2016. A "$" after the name means that a supporter title is in the profile. An "*" after the name means that neither of those is the case. This was done in response to paranoid people that said I or someone else was creating alt accounts just to up the numbers on the list. This irrational argument has been soundly laid to rest because there are fewer than 4% of the accounts with an *.

Creating an alt account to up the numbers would mean that the list value was compromised. With only 3 or 4 alt accounts, it wouldn't have been done to up the numbers on the list. With complete confidence I can claim that something like that has not happened. It is not credible to argue that someone had many dozens of alt accounts stowed away prior to the release of labyrinth, March 2016, so that they could compromise a list that was first created by Zaludoz on September 14, 2016, https://www.pathofexile.com/forum/view-thread/1702621/page/49. I can think of no purpose for someone wanting to have a "stash" of hundreds of alt accounts squirreled away. Then they decide to spam the forum with their many different stashed accounts. Sorry, but thinking such a thing I would consider to be paranoid thinking. If you or someone can come up with a more convincing explanation then I'd be happy to hear it.

P.S. Scarabs (or Dung Beetles) were considered sacred in ancient Egypt. An important god in Ancient Egypt mythology was Khepri.

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Khepri was connected with the scarab beetle (kheprer), because the scarab rolls balls of dung across the ground, an act that the Egyptians saw as a symbol of the forces that move the sun across the sky. Khepri was thus a solar deity. Young dung beetles, having been laid as eggs within the dung ball, emerge from it fully formed. Therefore, Khepri also represented creation and rebirth, and he was specifically connected with the rising sun and the mythical creation of the world.

Hell, even if every one of listed account had 2-3 alts, that'd still be about 300 unique people who don't like Lab. But WKs can't be beaten with reason because they don't want to.

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silumit wrote:

Hell, even if every one of listed account had 2-3 alts, that'd still be about 300 unique people who don't like Lab. But WKs can't be beaten with reason because they don't want to.

Silumit, thank you for posting your opinion on this issue. I have interpreted your post to be in support of there being a need to improve labyrinth or to move the ascendancy points to a challenge outside labyrinth. I have therefore added your name to the list. You are number 691 on the list. If I've misinterpreted your post or you'd like your name removed from the list then please let me know.

As the list grows longer our voices grow stronger.

P.S. Please note that Silumit's account was created years ago and has high level toons associated with the account. Also he posts 2.43 times per day on the average. Yet he has decided to make his first post on labyrinth today. (Or at least this is the first time Zaludoz or I noticed him posting.) I will vouch for Silumit not being an alt account and I'm convinced that he is a real person that thinks that PoE is a great game. I also think there is a good chance that he practices good personal hygiene and would decide to not destroy the world should he ever be faced with such a decision.