Over 430 threads discussing labyrinth problems with over 1040 posters in support DONE!!!!!

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morbo wrote:

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Sure_K4y wrote:

Try any vaal-skill based build you like, oh wait, there's no vaal souls, my bad. Try summon spectre in uber-lab. Try a crit reave build with vaal-pact in the uber lab, or any other evasion based melee build, are you gonna say there's no problems at all? are there any differences, or is it actually properly balanced? And try it in a league without your accumulated gear in standard, pull it off consistantly, then we can talk...

* Izaro spawns a shit-ton of skeles, should cover vaal souls
* I know nothing about summoners, so I cant comment that
* EV melee have a ton of block or they die to all the other content too

I've done Uber exactly twice in Essence. First with a 5k life Acro/Phase crit bow build (split + barrage) @91, when I finally unlocked it. Then with CI/EV max-block Dualstrike Gladiator, which has only a meagre 5.6K ES & 5.5kEV, at lvl 83. Uber is not a problem, if your build is balanced, you have properly rolled flasks and know the mechanics.

Not all builds are appropriate as Uber farmers, but most if not all of them can do Uber at least to get the passive points. Even if this isn't so, and a small percentage of builds can't do Uber lab, this is not an issue, because:

* Uber is entirely optional
* Not all builds can do 100% of the content easily - this was never the case.

Summons don't give vaal souls.

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gibbousmoon wrote:

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Sure_K4y wrote:

You know what? I've got an idea, create a character in the essence league, and make a video with 5 successful uber-lab runs in a row and upload it within 14 days. You game?

I love how you "big ballers" always think you're in a position to lecture people who don't like the lab and have their reasons for that.

Better yet, ask sidtherat to make even a FRACTION of his/her arguments after completing the uber lab in HC.

Yeah... I'm not holding my breath either.

as long as alt-f4 is the most effective defensive spell in this game there is little difference between HC and SC. so why should i bother pretending to be HC while bashing macro-logout button? i play hc in grim dawn. even d3 is less forgiving than this 'cheating is fine' situation


the new league crap - ive played Prophecy, got 3 chars to 91, all fully ascended. and after realizing that leagues and standard are pretty much identical (standard is VERY popular this league btw) i wont be joining the hamster wheel race. sorry to disappoint but i simply cannot see the point of 'leagues'. the 'difficult to get gear' is a lie and we all know it - essence is easiest league to get geared ever.


for the uber runs - if you can do izaro reliably then you can chain this stuff as long as you want because traps wont kill a player that knows what he is doing, ever - no matter the build!

lag can kill - but a) i do not play when my net graph isnt flat b) lag + few devourers is just as deadly

btw - you guys play HC for a challenge. you get it - and now it is a problem that the challenge is too challenging? or that there is a risk involved? blasphemy! what irks HC players + lab is the annoying fact that logging out resets the progress and i bet most of you here play with chicken script and use it frequently

Most HC players use log out macros, even streamers use them. Not many people in HC play it HC.

Did a single person actually try EB?

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Environmental traps in the labyrinth now calculate a player's life differently for determining damage. This was previously the total of a player's maximum life and Energy Shield. Now Energy Shield counts as 60% of its value for this purpose. Only Energy Shield covering life is counted. This was determined to be the best ratio applicable to the wide variety of Energy Shield based builds that exist.

EB makes Energy Shield not count. The only real disadvantage are with Hybrid Builds, while ES now have a real advantage, because just 60% damage is basically nothing, although they have usually less access to physical damage reduction but a Flask should be doable.

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Will you quit acting like spectre builds can't do labyrinth? Traps do 90% Less damage versus spectres. If you can't keep them alive when they only take 10% of the trap damage, you don't know how to play a summoner.

Yeah Summoners are incredible easy in the lab. Not only are they basically unkillable by traps, you can also use them as a shield for Poison Darts and if you unlock the Offerings early you can speed yourself up with Fleshoffering or get Physical Damage Reduction from Zombies, both help a lot.

Izaro sucks with some of the mechanics because Minion AI is terrible, but thats it.

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Try any vaal-skill based build you like

There shouldn't be any Vaal skill based builds. GGG doesn't like those skills alone making a build. That is why they basically destroyed Vaal Molten Shell and Vaal Spark. I'm not sure if there is any other Vaal build left. Many builds use Vaal Discipline, Haste or Grace basically as additional Flasks, but that is far from being a Vaal build, and they shouldn't need that.

just another feedback from players who plays from beta: lab is a boring, annoying shit. Looks like part of another trash-game. Its possible to forgot bout enchants, but i still must spend lots of time for it on EVERY characters i have (for ascendancy)
hate it every time.

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sidtherat wrote:

btw - you guys play HC for a challenge. you get it - and now it is a problem that the challenge is too challenging? or that there is a risk involved? blasphemy! what irks HC players + lab is the annoying fact that logging out resets the progress and i bet most of you here play with chicken script and use it frequently

First, I don't use macros. Period. If I did, why would I bother playing HC, you ask. I agree completely!

Second, there is a very large difference between having your abilities challenged and having your patience challenged. Highly mechanical boss fights fit into the former category. Pretty much the entire Labyrinth (of which the traps are just one component) fits into the latter category. I have yet to see you make a post which indicates that you "get" this distinction, sidtherat. Do you?

GGG did a lot right with the Atlas expansion by increasing mob life and adding more mechanically complex bosses. It made the actual gameplay outside of town much more tactical and, imo, fun. Also more challenging, but in a *meaningful* way.

The Labyrinth represents a completely different kind of gameplay philosophy, one shareed by many MMOs, which are notorious for not respecting your time: Reward the player who is willing to endure the most.

In any game, let alone an action game, rewarding tolerance more than skill is bad news. I think GGG gets this, but some mistakes are quite difficult to backpedal from, especially ones with as many extra assets and coding as the Labyrinth.

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Jgizle wrote:

Most HC players use log out macros, even streamers use them. Not many people in HC play it HC.

Don't think so.
I don´t use macros and best poe friends do neither

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TheDeathX wrote:

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Jgizle wrote:

Most HC players use log out macros, even streamers use them. Not many people in HC play it HC.

Don't think so.
I don´t use macros and best poe friends do neither

I don't use them either.