Over 430 threads discussing labyrinth problems with over 1040 posters in support DONE!!!!!

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almostdead wrote:

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gibbousmoon wrote:

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morbo wrote:

The % traps are there for a reason, the gauntlets are there for a reason, the portal limitation & length is there for a reason. Do you want Ascension classes to be nerfed and become meaningless? - Because that would happen if Asc points would be "set free", as you guys put it in you other flagship thread.

5 chaos for a carry is a meaningful barrier to Ascension, you say?

Nah.

Instead, let's encourage GGG to address the aspects of the Labyrinth which make it fun to *finish* but not fun to *play.*

Then there is no need to decouple the Ascendancy points.

5c only gets you izaro kills. everything else you must pass yourself (trials, trap gauntlets etc)

I've never gotten or done a carry but, I always assumed that the carry person would fetch the gold keys while the client waited at the door?

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gibbousmoon wrote:

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morbo wrote:

The % traps are there for a reason, the gauntlets are there for a reason, the portal limitation & length is there for a reason. Do you want Ascension classes to be nerfed and become meaningless? - Because that would happen if Asc points would be "set free", as you guys put it in you other flagship thread.

5 chaos for a carry is a meaningful barrier to Ascension, you say?

Nah.

Instead, let's encourage GGG to address the aspects of the Labyrinth which make it fun to *finish* but not fun to *play.*

Then there is no need to decouple the Ascendancy points.

But it is fun to play.

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Xtorma wrote:

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gibbousmoon wrote:

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morbo wrote:

The % traps are there for a reason, the gauntlets are there for a reason, the portal limitation & length is there for a reason. Do you want Ascension classes to be nerfed and become meaningless? - Because that would happen if Asc points would be "set free", as you guys put it in you other flagship thread.

5 chaos for a carry is a meaningful barrier to Ascension, you say?

Nah.

Instead, let's encourage GGG to address the aspects of the Labyrinth which make it fun to *finish* but not fun to *play.*

Then there is no need to decouple the Ascendancy points.

But it is fun to play.

Absolutely, I believe you that you find it fun. It is not fun for other people though.

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Turtledove wrote:

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Xtorma wrote:

But it is fun to play.

Absolutely, I believe you that you find it fun. It is not fun for other people though.

So there is no reason to change it for a few disgruntled people. Non-problem solved.

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Turtledove wrote:

I've never gotten or done a carry but, I always assumed that the carry person would fetch the gold keys while the client waited at the door?

Sure, but that is only one area you get to skip then. And that isn't even certain -
this league I did 30 uber lab runs on a day there were zero gold doors.

Lab is great! It could be improved to be more difficult to trivialize. Players who don't participate in Izaro fight can't progress. Parties must be within a certain number of levels of each other. You can't run in a party at all if you are over a certain level. Traps should be less forgiving, but you should get more than one attempt.

People misunderstand what a Lab carry is. The person carrying can open the doors and kill Izaro without you being in the Izaro fight. That is the only thing they can do for you. You still have to progress through the traps yourself. If you cant do that a carry is not going to do anything to help you get your AC points.

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gibbousmoon wrote:

5 chaos for a carry is a meaningful barrier to Ascension, you say?

Everything in PoE is trivial, when you look it through party/trade. Is reaching a Core map easy or hard? Well, it's super easy, anyone can do it, you just need 20c (or whatever it costs).

The fact that some people opt to cheese everything through party/trade, doesn't mean that the Lab is not challenging or that some other people wouldn't loose their fun, if you remove it.

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Xtorma wrote:

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Turtledove wrote:

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Xtorma wrote:

But it is fun to play.

Absolutely, I believe you that you find it fun. It is not fun for other people though.

So there is no reason to change it for a few disgruntled people. Non-problem solved.

Well, I haven't donated since they introduced the horrible labyrinth and a significant percentage of people have apparently followed suit. So, perhaps problem is solved from your perspective.

This thread is still alive ?