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... age and treachery will triumph over youth and skill! Last edited by vio#1992 on May 31, 2017, 6:25:40 PM	Posted by vio#1992 on May 31, 2017, 12:59:04 PM Alpha Member Quote this Post
" raics wrote: " Zrevnur wrote: Dont know what you mean here. Ok, we all know I like stories, ever heard of the one about a rabbit and carrot pie? It goes like this - a rabbit enters a local bakery and asks the owner if they might have carrot pie by any chance. The owner didn't have it so he told the rabbit so, but the cute little cottontail returned tomorrow and asked about the carrot pie again to be told they don't make any and never have. However, the rabbit kept returning day after day and the owner's patience was wearing thin... Ok, I'll spare everyone the rest of the story but you can probably see the point of this part. Even though the rabbit was asking politely I'd still consider that bullying and the owner getting angry is understandable. He'd probably give the rabbit a few over the head with a rolling pin and toss him out long ago but he's running a local business and doesn't need bad any bad rep in the neighborhood, which the rabbit is taking advantage of. So, under which conditions does nagging turn into bullying? I understand your example. I wouldnt have used the word "bullying" for this at all though. Not saying that it isnt. I now technically understand what you mean with "Could stubborn insistence on someone acting according to your wishes also be classified as bullying or is it just nagging?". But I still do not understand how this relates to the earlier discussion. To answer "So, under which conditions does nagging turn into bullying?": I cannot define a "clear line" between "bullying" and "not bullying" or anything of the sort. I do believe that this is typical of such things with psychological components. However: If the target of the (potential) bullying honestly perceives it as such then it is an indication (not proof) of it being bullying. No wonder it's lost, it's in the middle of the jungle!	Posted by Zrevnur#2026 on May 31, 2017, 1:05:32 PM Quote this Post
This game is my favourite game but i stopped playing it because of Lab and if devs push this shit forward on 3.00 again as a build key stone, i hope they loose much more players with their "remodeled wraeclast" patch. This game and its new shiny armours gonna get more kiddos in here for sure. Neden yaşıyorsun? Last edited by Jideament#2792 on May 31, 2017, 1:29:57 PM	Posted by Jideament#2792 on May 31, 2017, 1:29:21 PM Quote this Post
Some things here amuse me. Turtle: This is not a list of lab haters. It's a historical record of people who want something changed Poster: Lab is Shit Turtle: Welcome to the historical record you lab hater! Guild Leader The Amazon Basin <BASIN> Play Nice and Show Some Class www.theamazonbasin.com	Posted by mark1030#3643 on May 31, 2017, 1:39:56 PM Quote this Post
" Zrevnur wrote: To answer "So, under which conditions does nagging turn into bullying?": I cannot define a "clear line" between "bullying" and "not bullying" or anything of the sort. I do believe that this is typical of such things with psychological components. However: If the target of the (potential) bullying honestly perceives it as such then it is an indication (not proof) of it being bullying. Yeah, I'm at best an amateur sociologist which is saying I'm not one at all but it should probably tick these two boxes first. - it must persist long enough - the target can't say 'go fuck yourself' for whatever reason But it's no exact science, the sureshot way would be just asking GGG if they feel bullied by lab comments or not. They certainly don't if they aren't reading these anymore but in that case none of this really matters. I seem to recall Chris asking the community at some point to moderate the posts and interaction with support a bit (dunno what was the exact cause for a shitstorm that time) because his employees are people too, that would imply they felt bullied. I don't think he repeated the plead, dunno if it was because it never got as bad again or it simply didn't work :) Wish the armchair developers would go back to developing armchairs. ◄[www.moddb.com/mods/balancedux]► ◄[www.moddb.com/mods/one-vision1]►	Posted by raics#7540 on May 31, 2017, 1:40:13 PM Quote this Post
About the "forum bullying" - not in direct response to any one comment but at least tangentially relevant. I (accidentally) just read this https://www.pathofexile.com/forum/view-thread/73088 " Qarl wrote: Hi, We have a lot of first impression posts at the moment, and I can't individually address them, but thanks! How people interact and experience the game the first time is important to us. If the feedback is negative, special thanks for taking the time to post your thoughts! We much prefer getting feedback than not. Existing players: we appreciate your thoughts too, but please don't flame the people providing negative opinions about their first impressions. It may well be because they don't understand something you do, but we need to know what those things are. I wasnt aware (or didnt remember) this before just reading it now. No wonder it's lost, it's in the middle of the jungle!	Posted by Zrevnur#2026 on May 31, 2017, 1:57:17 PM Quote this Post
" Zrevnur wrote: About the "forum bullying" - not in direct response to any one comment but at least tangentially relevant. I (accidentally) just read this https://www.pathofexile.com/forum/view-thread/73088 Yeah, it's been there for ages, and it makes a lot of sense. If someone is complaining that transferring items to and from stash is too slow you should just tell him of ctrl-click method, not bash him (see the last page for example). It did happen a few times in the thread, someone would unload on the game for some misinformed reason and people would jump him, though it was usually if the poster was being rude as well as misinformed. Wish the armchair developers would go back to developing armchairs. ◄[www.moddb.com/mods/balancedux]► ◄[www.moddb.com/mods/one-vision1]► Last edited by raics#7540 on May 31, 2017, 2:25:46 PM	Posted by raics#7540 on May 31, 2017, 2:23:37 PM Quote this Post
... age and treachery will triumph over youth and skill! Last edited by vio#1992 on May 31, 2017, 6:25:59 PM	Posted by vio#1992 on May 31, 2017, 3:36:33 PM Alpha Member Quote this Post
" raics wrote: " Turtledove wrote: You're arguing that "Lab is shit" is praise for Labyrinth? That is interesting and understandable if you're a creature like a dung beetle that loves eating shit. Assuming that you're not a dung beetle though, I'm a bit confused why you would think that "Lab is shit" would be praise? I know that toddlers will sometimes smear shit on the wall next to their crib but I'm very certain that Matt does not like eating shit or smearing shit on walls. Do you not think Matt meant it as an expression of a highly derogatory opinion of the labyrinth? So, you wouldn't agree that the Discobolus would still be a beautiful sculpture if it was made of mud, or, why not, shit? If we're supposed to play dumb you should remove the man from the list. What he said can technically mean two things: one is that lab is made of shit, which is obviously incorrect because it's just pixels and the other meaning would be that lab is a product of someone's bowel movements which is slander. I trust you're trying to compile a list of complaints here, not insults. Saying "Lab is shit" is a complaint about labyrinth. Since it was a statement in context in a thread entitled "Over 320 threads discussing labyrinth problems with over 880 posters in support". Now if it was a post in a thread entitled "Things to hate about mapping" then I'd have to agree that it would be someone voicing their complaint that they don't like the laboratory not the labyrinth. Or if my account name was Lab2345 then I would agree that it was ambiguous whether he was complaining about me or the labyrinth. He was not really insulting anyone, I believe. He was simply making a complaint that he doesn't find the labyrinth enjoyable. True he didn't give a specific reason. I don't know why that would really be required though? There are over 320 threads listed that cover that pretty well. Many people have given specific reasons and so I'm not really at a loss trying to figure out how anyone could possibly dislike the labyrinth! Over 430 threads discussing labyrinth problems with over 1040 posters in support (thread # 1702621) Thank you all! GGG will implement a different method for ascension in PoE2. Retired!	Posted by Turtledove#4014 on May 31, 2017, 3:52:12 PM Quote this Post
" mark1030 wrote: Some things here amuse me. Turtle: This is not a list of lab haters. It's a historical record of people who want something changed Poster: Lab is Shit Turtle: Welcome to the historical record you lab hater! True it is not a list of labyrinth haters. It is also true that many/most(?) on the list are labyrinth haters. I guess that you're trying to argue that someone that obviously likes playing PoE but says they hate labyrinth are not strongly implying that they would like it changed? Sorry but that seems like a silly argument. Over 430 threads discussing labyrinth problems with over 1040 posters in support (thread # 1702621) Thank you all! GGG will implement a different method for ascension in PoE2. Retired!	Posted by Turtledove#4014 on May 31, 2017, 3:58:21 PM Quote this Post