Over 430 threads discussing labyrinth problems with over 1040 posters in support DONE!!!!!

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Xavathos wrote:

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Turtledove wrote:

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matt29234 wrote:

Lab is shit

matt29234, thank you for voicing your opinion on the shit labyrinth. I've added you to the list of names that have voiced a similar opinion, now 881 names. As the list grows longer our voice grows stronger.

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matt29234, has been added to the list after posting what might be the shortest post that has earned such a great honor of having earned a place on the list. With the tidal wave of such great PoE players being added to the list it is only a matter of time that GGG will fix the shitty labyrinth.

That qualifies to be put on your list? And you wonder why they don't take you seriously?

I'm not saying the list may not have a use in the future, it just might not end up being what you had in mind...

You're arguing that "Lab is shit" is praise for Labyrinth? That is interesting and understandable if you're a creature like a dung beetle that loves eating shit. Assuming that you're not a dung beetle though, I'm a bit confused why you would think that "Lab is shit" would be praise? I know that toddlers will sometimes smear shit on the wall next to their crib but I'm very certain that Matt does not like eating shit or smearing shit on walls. Do you not think Matt meant it as an expression of a highly derogatory opinion of the labyrinth?

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Turtledove wrote:

You're arguing that "Lab is shit" is praise for Labyrinth? That is interesting and understandable if you're a creature like a dung beetle that loves eating shit. Assuming that you're not a dung beetle though, I'm a bit confused why you would think that "Lab is shit" would be praise? I know that toddlers will sometimes smear shit on the wall next to their crib but I'm very certain that Matt does not like eating shit or smearing shit on walls. Do you not think Matt meant it as an expression of a highly derogatory opinion of the labyrinth?

So, you wouldn't agree that the Discobolus would still be a beautiful sculpture if it was made of mud, or, why not, shit? If we're supposed to play dumb you should remove the man from the list. What he said can technically mean two things: one is that lab is made of shit, which is obviously incorrect because it's just pixels and the other meaning would be that lab is a product of someone's bowel movements which is slander. I trust you're trying to compile a list of complaints here, not insults.

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raics wrote:

You know, I've been wondering about that 'forum bullying' thing. To be bullied you need to be outnumbered, outgunned or both and it's a bit tacky talking about either here,

Maybe you forget (claimed - does not need to be true) player skill and knowledge? I vaguely remember seing this "outgunning" approach.

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raics wrote:

If you have faith in your cause, a degree of opposition should only reinforce it but if you aren't sure of what you're doing... that's a different story altogether. The way I see it, you should be thankful there's someone else to talk to here besides yes men.

So the "bullied" people should be grateful for being "bullied"? I consider that typical "bully" "argumentation".

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My impression is that there is a major difference between "lab complainers" and "forum bullies": The "lab complainers" "attack" a thing (the lab) whereas the "forum bullies" (directly or indirectly) "attack" a poster.

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I was responding to 'The_Reporter'. Whether the term "forum bullies" properly corresponds with the meaning of the word "bully" elsewhere I do not know. But for me its pretty clear what was meant.

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Zrevnur wrote:

So the "bullied" people should be grateful for being "bullied"? I consider that typical "bully" "argumentation".

Well, aren't some of you also claiming that GGG should be grateful you're providing this kind of feedback? Mind you, bullying is also attacking someone that can't defend himself, something like saying 'prime minister is an asshole' in UK despite his higher perceived social standing because freedom of speech protects you, people certainly don't have a habit of doing it in Turkey.

So, in their own feedback section GGG have to tolerate a list where they're being both directly and indirectly accused of incompetence, malice and stupidity because they have to give us a certain level of freedom on the forum. And if someone tells you you're out of line that's bullying?

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raics wrote:

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Zrevnur wrote:

So the "bullied" people should be grateful for being "bullied"? I consider that typical "bully" "argumentation".

Well, aren't some of you also claiming that GGG should be grateful you're providing this kind of feedback?

I dont speak for anybody else so I dont see your "some of you" point.

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raics wrote:

So, in their own feedback section GGG have to tolerate a list where they're being both directly and indirectly accused of incompetence, malice and stupidity because they have to give us a certain level of freedom on the forum.

They dont have to tolerate it. As you pointed out before with the moderator example: They clearly have the superior position here. Its a choice they make. And IMO anybody trying to "defend" GGG (by "attacking" the "offending" poster) does not properly respect this choice by GGG. There is a 'report' button which you can use. Far as I understand this is how GGG wants you to deal with inappropriate posts. Not by yourself "attacking" the poster.

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raics wrote:

And if someone tells you you're out of line that's bullying?

Whether I would consider something as "forum bullying" depends. Merely pointing this (opinion) out politely does not imply "forum bullying".

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The_Reporter wrote:

That's what I mean. It's scary times for forum bullies everywhere.

Even after all this time, I still find it amusing every time you describe someone who disagrees with you on something, a bully. Especially on a forum. I don't even...

GGG.

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Zrevnur wrote:

They dont have to tolerate it. As you pointed out before with the moderator example: They clearly have the superior position here. Its a choice they make. And IMO anybody trying to "defend" GGG (by "attacking" the "offending" poster) does not properly respect this choice by GGG. There is a 'report' button which you can use. Far as I understand this is how GGG wants you to deal with inappropriate posts. Not by yourself "attacking" the poster.

And by allowing people to 'defend' them like that they're also making a choice which you aren't respecting.

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Zrevnur wrote:

Whether I would consider something as "forum bullying" depends. Merely pointing this (opinion) out politely does not imply "forum bullying".

What do you think? Could stubborn insistence on someone acting according to your wishes also be classified as bullying or is it just nagging? Does it depend on how aggressive you're being or not?

Can something like that even be considered polite regardless of how you present it?

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Turtledove wrote:

You're arguing that "Lab is shit" is praise for Labyrinth? That is interesting and understandable if you're a creature like a dung beetle that loves eating shit. Assuming that you're not a dung beetle though, I'm a bit confused why you would think that "Lab is shit" would be praise? I know that toddlers will sometimes smear shit on the wall next to their crib but I'm very certain that Matt does not like eating shit or smearing shit on walls. Do you not think Matt meant it as an expression of a highly derogatory opinion of the labyrinth?

That's a baseless assumption, just like the majority of your other posts. You put words in other people's mouths by assuming you know what they mean with everything they say.

Newsflash, my friend, you're off the mark on quite a lot of them.

I wasn't arguing that this person even likes the lab, clearly he/she doesn't in the least. But I'd hardly call "lab is shit" constructive feedback. Therefor, does it really deserve a place on this list?

I guess if you're desperate to fill this list to give it more make-believe weight to counter anyone who would even attempt to disagree, it holds merit to add an opinion like this to it. But in a real situation where we're trying to debate whether or not a core part of a game should change, "lab is shit" is not a valid argument, come on. We're not living in the stone age anymore, are we?

So... next time you feel like assuming someone else's opinion, don't. Ask them for it instead. Trust me, it helps in this whole discussion thing and makes others much more inclined to take their time to give you a reasonable, constructive reply. If you think we're so bad, then set the example, because I haven't seen it from you or your buddies yet.

And yeah, I'm taking the moral high ground on this and yeah I know I haven't been super nice to you either these last few weeks. But someone should start changing, right? Or do we need another thread with 500 pages and signatures for that?

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raics wrote:

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Zrevnur wrote:

They dont have to tolerate it. As you pointed out before with the moderator example: They clearly have the superior position here. Its a choice they make. And IMO anybody trying to "defend" GGG (by "attacking" the "offending" poster) does not properly respect this choice by GGG. There is a 'report' button which you can use. Far as I understand this is how GGG wants you to deal with inappropriate posts. Not by yourself "attacking" the poster.

And by allowing people to 'defend' them like that they're also making a choice which you aren't respecting.

I do not have the goal to "defend" GGG or "respect" their choice. So I dont see how that mattters whether its true or not.

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raics wrote:

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Zrevnur wrote:

Whether I would consider something as "forum bullying" depends. Merely pointing this (opinion) out politely does not imply "forum bullying".

What do you think? Could stubborn insistence on someone acting according to your wishes also be classified as bullying or is it just nagging? Does it depend on how aggressive you're being or not?

Dont know what you mean here.

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raics wrote:

Can something like that even be considered polite regardless of how you present it?

Whether something is "considered polite" depends on the one doing the "considering". If you add an insult then I consider it impolite.

Edit: fixed quote: "considered" -> "considered polite"

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Zrevnur wrote:

Dont know what you mean here.

Ok, we all know I like stories, ever heard of the one about a rabbit and carrot pie?

It goes like this - a rabbit enters a local bakery and asks the owner if they might have carrot pie by any chance. The owner didn't have it so he told the rabbit so, but the cute little cottontail returned tomorrow and asked about the carrot pie again to be told they don't make any and never have. However, the rabbit kept returning day after day and the owner's patience was wearing thin...

Ok, I'll spare everyone the rest of the story but you can probably see the point of this part. Even though the rabbit was asking politely I'd still consider that bullying and the owner getting angry is understandable. He'd probably give the rabbit a few over the head with a rolling pin and toss him out long ago but he's running a local business and doesn't need bad any bad rep in the neighborhood, which the rabbit is taking advantage of.

So, under which conditions does nagging turn into bullying?