Over 430 threads discussing labyrinth problems with over 1040 posters in support DONE!!!!!

Thanks for the civil response.

Please keep my name on the list then, because I do believe it does need to be changed (which is obvious from the hate), just not eliminated.

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Zaludoz wrote:

Yes, the thread is beneficial and serves its purpose just fine. If you think it's not worth maintaining, don't maintain it... or ignore it... yeah, you don't have to read every thread on the forums or agree with their existence.

The Lab is beneficial and serves its purpose just fine. if you think it's not worth playing, do not play it.. or ignore it.. yeah, you do not have to experience/like every content in this game nor agree with its existence

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sidtherat wrote:

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Zaludoz wrote:

Yes, the thread is beneficial and serves its purpose just fine. If you think it's not worth maintaining, don't maintain it... or ignore it... yeah, you don't have to read every thread on the forums or agree with their existence.

The Lab is beneficial and serves its purpose just fine. if you think it's not worth playing, do not play it.. or ignore it.. yeah, you do not have to experience/like every content in this game nor agree with its existence

I'm sorry, Mr. Forum poster, until you read and respond positively to every thread you hate to see bumped in the forum, you won't be able to post more than 10 times in the General Discussion section, and those posts cannot be more than 80 characters long.

Have fun with that forum mini-game.

Labyrinth and reading forums aren't comparable, no matter how cute changing the wording around is.

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Zaludoz wrote:

I'm sorry, Mr. Forum poster, until you read and respond positively to every thread you hate to see bumped in the forum, you won't be able to post more than 10 times in the General Discussion section, and those posts cannot be more than 80 characters long.

Now wait a minute, you just made the condition 'complete all labs and like them', would something in the vein of 'read all threads you don't like in full and contribute to the discussion' be enough? :)

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CidAvadose wrote:

Thanks for the civil response.

Please keep my name on the list then, because I do believe it does need to be changed (which is obvious from the hate), just not eliminated.

I don't want labyrinth eliminated. I think it should be fixed so that it is fun or the ascendancy points should be made available elsewhere. Fixing to make it fun means options mentioned here. Other things to make labyrinth more fun would be things like adding waypoints after each Izaro (or something) to allow trades/bathroom/letting dog out/eating/honey-do-this-that/etc.

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raics wrote:

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Zaludoz wrote:

I'm sorry, Mr. Forum poster, until you read and respond positively to every thread you hate to see bumped in the forum, you won't be able to post more than 10 times in the General Discussion section, and those posts cannot be more than 80 characters long.

Now wait a minute, you just made the condition 'complete all labs and like them', would something in the vein of 'read all threads you don't like in full and contribute to the discussion' be enough? :)

I don't know... it was designed to test a person's forum build, to see if it can deal with positive posting, not just speed-typing contributions to get through them fast (even though contributing to the discussion is a good goal that works in the rest of the forums).

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I could see a potential change to where you could post positively in threads you enjoy, instead. At least you're still posting positively, so the concept is kept in tact.

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grepman wrote:

list is pretty hilarious

I like how people with supporter titles shown get the '$' to their name, indicating that somehow they have more weight or something

I like how people who didnt sign up for this EXPLICITLY were nonetheless added to this list to give it more weight

if you are willing to do #2 to what length will you go to basically push your point/agenda across ? who knows ?

That is not the purpose. Here's the stated purpose copied from the OP.

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The purpose of this list is not meant to "tag" anyone into any particular camp. It is meant primarily to demonstrate that many people have things about labyrinth that they think can be improved upon. Unlike the false assertions by some that have argued against any need to fix this problem there are far more than the 5, 10, or 20 that they incorrectly asserted have posted in support of changes. This list blows those silly assertions out of the water.

Even with the list in the many hundreds there were apparently mentally unstable paranoid people claiming that I and a handful of other people had many hundreds of alt accounts and had padded the list to try to make it look like more than a small handful of people were represented by the list. So, in order to try to ease their paranoia and expose it as ridiculous I went through the whole list and marked each entry in the list in the following way.

"o" after the name means the account is older than March 2016.
"$" after the name means that a supporter title is in the profile.
"*" after the name means that neither of those is the case.

Many have donations associated with the account. This is not because I'm trying to claim that their opinion is more important. I argue that it makes it less likely that they are alt accounts. Note that one particular extra paranoid individual dismissed this argument as meaningless.

The accounts created prior to the release of labyrinth are also less likely to be alt accounts. This too was not a convincing argument for some but I think it is pretty good evidence that they are likely not alt accounts created just to increase the size of the list.

There are fewer than 4% of the accounts with an *.

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Turtledove wrote:

Even with the list in the many hundreds there were apparently mentally unstable paranoid people claiming that I and a handful of other people had many hundreds of alt accounts and had padded the list to try to make it look like more than a small handful of people were represented by the list.

It's both hilarious and pathetic that after many dozens of pages of back and forth you still think that is what the claim was.

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Shovelcut wrote:

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Turtledove wrote:

Even with the list in the many hundreds there were apparently mentally unstable paranoid people claiming that I and a handful of other people had many hundreds of alt accounts and had padded the list to try to make it look like more than a small handful of people were represented by the list.

It's both hilarious and pathetic that after many dozens of pages of back and forth you still think that is what the claim was.

There have been many people that have asserted that a small handful of people are creating all of these labyrinth threads and posts. I thought that you yourself did an analysis of the thread authors, in part, to answer this question in your own mind? Or at least if I remember correctly I thought you said that once?

Here's a specific example of someone on page 85 of this thread.

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lagwin1980 wrote:

"680" posters...have you went and verified it's 680 individual people and not the same handful regurgitating the same QQ in other threads.

Even then, minority vs majority, even assuming that only part of the minority have said anything you are still going to be under 10% of players (being generous with the guess)

The main purpose of the list was to try to dispel this silly notion that only a small handful of people have said that there are things that should be fixed about labyrinth. So claims that this hasn't ever been argued seems very strange to me.