Over 430 threads discussing labyrinth problems with over 1040 posters in support DONE!!!!!

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Nichelle_GGG wrote:

Hi Exiles!

This ^

made me think very deeply, i came to the thoughts of being a lower lifeform existence and they are the rulers over us, i felt like i am exiled.

I know it wasn't meant that way but i would like to be adressed not as an exile because we are exiles in the game, this is a Forum and people should be seen as Human and not some pixel-being.

Have some respect to your Players please.

From thread Labyrinth review for 3.0
I'm responding here rather in that thread to avoid potentially derailing that thread with a tangential topic post.

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MasterTBC wrote:

I was one of the people who liked the Labyrinth when it came out however, I'm beginning to understand why people hate the lab because I'm starting to hate it too and that is sad.


Here is my proposal:

Normal Lab: Delete

Cruel Lab: Reduce Area Level to 3.0's Expansion Act 3
Now you can get boot and glove enchantment in a relatively early state of the game which is good and can prepare you for act 4 and onwards.
One run of this Lab will give you 1 Ascendancy point up to a maximum of 2.

Merciless Lab: Can be found in Act 8
The Area level will probably be a little lower than current lab which will make it easier to get the points.
Since you have to reroll Enchantments anyway getting one Ascendancy point each run seems like a fair and better progression than getting 2 at once.
Merciless Lab will prepare you for Act 9 and Act 10.
One run of this Lab will give you 1 Ascendancy point up to a maximum of 6.

Uber Lab: No Ascendancy points and is optional content.
It is a hard engame dungeon with big rewards.

Why this change?
For most builds its important to get Ascendancy points as early as possible.
What is the point of getting Ascendancy nodes when your character is already finished or you are already 20-30 levels overleveled?

Players want to enjoy the Ascendancy classes so don't make them grief.


Problems with current Lab:

Uber Lab is annoying and unnecessary.
What is the point of getting two more Ascendancy points when you have to be level 90 and insane damage to even do Uber Izaro??
The trials are shit because the traps deal too much damage.
Also in the burning ground one you get physically blocked by the infinitly spawning skeletons.

Blade Sentries and Spinning Blades deal too much damage.

Make Traps deal the same damage to Life than to ES.
Life builds have no way of replenishing their HP after they are out of flasks while ES regenerates indefinitly.


Endless Sting bleed damage is too high while moving.
Sentinel Traps should be a hindrance and not a get rekt.
They are placed in safe zones inbetween Trap cluster.
Thats fucking bullshit!

Opened a chest in uber lab with silver key it dropped 3 rare items
Ineffective -> Waste of time.
Make the rewards worth your time.
Something like a guaranteed random unique item or a selection of various flasks.
If you don't have insane damage uber izaro is impossible without insta leech.

Uber Izaro needs cooldowns.
Its not fun if he uses 3 skills almost simoultaneously.
You are forced to evade them unable to attack yourself.
His basic attack is overkill and he kills you with it even when you are half a screen away.

There is no need to make the last phase of the fight harder since it is already harder when you go for the keys. Dying in the last phase makes people ragequit and give up trying.

I probably forgot some things.

MasterTBC, thank you for voicing your opinion and suggestion. I've added your name to the list now 748 voices long. As the list grows longer our voices grow stronger.

Here's MasterTBC's profile summary.

Guild:
Solo

Joined:
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Last Visited:
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Total Forum Posts:
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A spot check of posts seems to indicate a majority of posts in the Feedback and Suggestions forum and about 30 or 40 posts made prior to release of the labyrinth. The relevance of these two things is: the 40 posts being made prior to release of the labyrinth is good evidence that MasterTBC is not an alt account of mine which has been argued by a paranoid labyrinth supporter. The apparent majority of posts to Feedback and Suggestions seems to support my conclusion that GGG could perhaps take the total number of posters to the Feedback and Suggestions forum and divide that into the 748 for a rough guess at the floor for percentage of players that have a dislike of labyrinth.

This post used to be the second half of the OP regarding the account name list. I had to split it into two parts because there's a 50,000 character limit for any one post.

The list of account names is generally taken from threads that have been posted in the Feedback and Suggestions forum. There are a few exceptions to this rule. I included one thread from the General Discussion forum, Ascendency points and Oriath (aka remove Labyrinth mandatoriness). This was at first a mistake but I am keeping that one because it seems to demonstrate that a large number of additional account names were added to the list from that thread. It seems to demonstrate that many people seem to visit that forum rather than the Feedback and Suggestions forum and vice versa. There were over 10 new account names added from just the first few pages. I didn't do any analysis for new account names after those first few pages.

Here's an excellent post by Zaludoz that explains why this thread needed to be made, the original purpose or motivation.

On page 49 of this thread Zaludoz posted some interesting information including a list of accounts that have posted in support of "fixing" labyrinth with thread starters marked in that list. This analysis was done when the thread list was around 248 threads and Zaludoz's account name list was 582. During my turn at list maintenance I do not include accounts that complain about just Izaro or enchants. Which is what Zaludoz explicitly states as well for his original work. I decided to start trying to keep this list up to date at 265 threads, now 889 account names.

Note that there are many problems with labyrinth and many people have argued on both sides of the argument. The purpose of this list is not meant to "tag" anyone into any particular camp. It is meant primarily to demonstrate that many people have things about labyrinth that they think can be improved upon. Unlike the false assertions by some that have argued against any need to fix this problem there are far more than the 5, 10, or 20 that they incorrectly asserted have posted in support of changes. This list blows those silly assertions out of the water.

A plus after the name means that they started a thread. The "plus" markers have not been accurately kept track of, specifically, there are probably about five dozen plus markers missing.

I'll be happy to delete your account name from this list, just let me know. There's a goal of one account name per person in the list so if I've added more than one account name for you then please PM me from the account name that should best be removed.

Here's some additional data in the list. An "o" after the name means the account is older than March 2016. A "$" after the name means that a supporter title is in the profile. An "*" after the name means that neither of those is the case. This was done in response to paranoid people that said there was only a handful of people represented in the list and that I or someone else was creating vast amounts of alt accounts just to up the numbers on the list. This irrational argument has been soundly laid to rest because there are fewer than 4% of the accounts with an *. The over 3% being newer accounts also means that new people coming into PoE think that labyrinth has problems that should be fixed. A special study was done 5/17/2017. These 102 names are marked special in the list with a "#". These where taken from the Changes to the Labyrinth in the Development Manifesto forum. No analysis was done for the "o" or "$" designations. If they subsequently post their feelings in a Feedback and Suggestions forum that I see then this analysis will be done and the "#" will be replaced. The basic integrity of this list was verified by a pro-lab supporter in this post as well as some interesting data on when the supporter packs were purchased.
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My suggestions about uber lab. Making it a real endgame content. please check it out and give some feedbacks, if you like it and give feedbacks maybe GGG may consider making it happen.

https://www.pathofexile.com/forum/view-thread/1872994

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Turtledove wrote:

Spoiler

From thread Labyrinth review for 3.0
I'm responding here rather in that thread to avoid potentially derailing that thread with a tangential topic post.

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MasterTBC wrote:

I was one of the people who liked the Labyrinth when it came out however, I'm beginning to understand why people hate the lab because I'm starting to hate it too and that is sad.


Here is my proposal:

Normal Lab: Delete

Cruel Lab: Reduce Area Level to 3.0's Expansion Act 3
Now you can get boot and glove enchantment in a relatively early state of the game which is good and can prepare you for act 4 and onwards.
One run of this Lab will give you 1 Ascendancy point up to a maximum of 2.

Merciless Lab: Can be found in Act 8
The Area level will probably be a little lower than current lab which will make it easier to get the points.
Since you have to reroll Enchantments anyway getting one Ascendancy point each run seems like a fair and better progression than getting 2 at once.
Merciless Lab will prepare you for Act 9 and Act 10.
One run of this Lab will give you 1 Ascendancy point up to a maximum of 6.

Uber Lab: No Ascendancy points and is optional content.
It is a hard engame dungeon with big rewards.

Why this change?
For most builds its important to get Ascendancy points as early as possible.
What is the point of getting Ascendancy nodes when your character is already finished or you are already 20-30 levels overleveled?

Players want to enjoy the Ascendancy classes so don't make them grief.


Problems with current Lab:

Uber Lab is annoying and unnecessary.
What is the point of getting two more Ascendancy points when you have to be level 90 and insane damage to even do Uber Izaro??
The trials are shit because the traps deal too much damage.
Also in the burning ground one you get physically blocked by the infinitly spawning skeletons.

Blade Sentries and Spinning Blades deal too much damage.

Make Traps deal the same damage to Life than to ES.
Life builds have no way of replenishing their HP after they are out of flasks while ES regenerates indefinitly.


Endless Sting bleed damage is too high while moving.
Sentinel Traps should be a hindrance and not a get rekt.
They are placed in safe zones inbetween Trap cluster.
Thats fucking bullshit!

Opened a chest in uber lab with silver key it dropped 3 rare items
Ineffective -> Waste of time.
Make the rewards worth your time.
Something like a guaranteed random unique item or a selection of various flasks.
If you don't have insane damage uber izaro is impossible without insta leech.

Uber Izaro needs cooldowns.
Its not fun if he uses 3 skills almost simoultaneously.
You are forced to evade them unable to attack yourself.
His basic attack is overkill and he kills you with it even when you are half a screen away.

There is no need to make the last phase of the fight harder since it is already harder when you go for the keys. Dying in the last phase makes people ragequit and give up trying.

I probably forgot some things.

MasterTBC, thank you for voicing your opinion and suggestion. I've added your name to the list now 748 voices long. As the list grows longer our voices grow stronger.

Here's MasterTBC's profile summary.

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A spot check of posts seems to indicate a majority of posts in the Feedback and Suggestions forum and about 30 or 40 posts made prior to release of the labyrinth. The relevance of these two things is: the 40 posts being made prior to release of the labyrinth is good evidence that MasterTBC is not an alt account of mine which has been argued by a paranoid labyrinth supporter. The apparent majority of posts to Feedback and Suggestions seems to support my conclusion that GGG could perhaps take the total number of posters to the Feedback and Suggestions forum and divide that into the 748 for a rough guess at the floor for percentage of players that have a dislike of labyrinth.

Maybe you should send a message to each person on your list. Because some of them don't know they hate the lab:

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ladish wrote:

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Kavlor wrote:

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Aim_Deep wrote:

No you're silent minority. You ppl aint fooling me. I think this is a troll thread anyway.

Ah well hard to believe when I received a pm because I was on a list of people unhappy with the lab.I like the lab so no idea how I ended up on this list.

I got one as well lol.

https://www.pathofexile.com/forum/view-thread/1837985/page/4#p14219087
You're eager to add people to your list but people have to request removal. Maybe just make sure people want to be there before adding them?

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mark1030 wrote:

Maybe you should send a message to each person on your list. Because some of them don't know they hate the lab:

https://www.pathofexile.com/forum/view-thread/1837985/page/4#p14219087
You're eager to add people to your list but people have to request removal. Maybe just make sure people want to be there before adding them?

The majority of new people added to the list get a response to their post. Others I send a PM to if I put the response in this thread. So your idea of sending out a message to all 750 people really doesn't make much sense. Kaludoz did not do this so some people could have been added to the list and not know it. But since you seem to have no problem with bothering people by suggesting this idea, feel free to send out a PM yourself. I don't believe anyone has ever asked me to remove them from the list. So it can't be the big problem that you make it out to be. It is not a list of people that hate the labyrinth anyway. As I state in the OP

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Note that there are many problems with labyrinth and many people have argued on both sides of the argument. The purpose of this list is not meant to "tag" anyone into any particular camp. It is meant primarily to demonstrate that many people have things about labyrinth that they think can be improved upon. Unlike the false assertions by some that have argued against any need to fix this problem there are far more than the 5, 10, or 20 that they incorrectly asserted have posted in support of changes. This list blows those silly assertions out of the water.

A common example of this is the horrible design decision to not allow portals out of the labyrinth. This was a decision made by self absorbed irrational designers that thought that people don't have real life issues that frequently pop up. So if someone that otherwise likes labyrinth but thinks that portals should be allowed then I'll add them to the list. They always have the option to have their name removed.

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Turtledove wrote:

I don't believe anyone has ever asked me to remove them from the list.

How many of them know they are on the list? Hard to ask not to be when you didn't ask to be on it in the first place so have no idea your name shows up. Not talking about the latest people you've added. Talking about the ones that happened before you posted responses telling them you were adding them.

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mark1030 wrote:

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Turtledove wrote:

I don't believe anyone has ever asked me to remove them from the list.

How many of them know they are on the list? Hard to ask not to be when you didn't ask to be on it in the first place so have no idea your name shows up. Not talking about the latest people you've added. Talking about the ones that happened before you posted responses telling them you were adding them.

As mentioned in the OP Zaludoz made the original list at 582. You are free to do the analysis by looking at my posting history. That would perhaps miss a few PM's where I didn't make a post but feel free to factor that in or not into your analysis.

I have noticed that my name is on the list. If that list is solely people who object to the labyrinth I want my name off that list.

While I have made threads about how to improve the labyrinth. They are mainly to address people's issues with the labyrinth, to make it more enjoyable for everyone, so that it STAYS.

I like the labyrinth and want to find ways to make more people to like it, because I feel moving the game away from pure hack 'n slash to having to pay attention to your surroundings is a good thing.

i just hope you are paid - and well! - to do this..