Over 430 threads discussing labyrinth problems with over 1040 posters in support DONE!!!!!

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mark1030 wrote:

So you can't tell which accounts are alts but you have proof that there are only a few in your list. I guess we just don't agree on what the word "proof" actually means. I think it means "you have facts" and you think it means "the other choices are ridiculous to me because then I'd be wrong".

More silly fallacies on your part. I never said there were only a few. What I said that I thought there might be 3 or 4 obvious alt accounts. I've given you the facts. I don't need to give them to you again. You can believe whatever silly conspiracy theory you want.

Why do we need to keep arguing about this for 100+ pages now?

Some people dislike the lab, some people like it. There's no majority of anything, no proof of anything, because it's easy to see that a small percentage of PoE players ever bother to visit the forums, let alone post about the lab.

I agree with many of the arguing points against the lab, but I also enjoy the lab. I'm happy to have GGG tweak the lab if desired, but I absolutely want the lab here and want there to be a reason to run it other than just for loot.

Personally I think they should take the Decent race format and add in all the lab elements, mix in every Map tileset, and boss, and every zana mod/former league mod, to make a part of the game that is literally a massive Rogue-like within the game. Call it the "The Helix of The Great Old Ones"* or "The Architect's Spiral"* or some such. IMO such a thing could be the best most varied graphical rogue-like in the history of the genre.

I like the lab. I don't think you'll find too many people who are willing to come here and wade through 100 pages of self selected ad populum arguments without any supporting data on the populum part (that is to say empty dataless assertions that the popular argument supports your side, whichever one that happens to be) just to say "lab is cool, I like running it".

I don't need popularty assertions, only people who have no confidence in their argument need "my side is bigger than your side" this isn't a efking elementary school playground.

The truth is people who hate lab can and do get a carry, a few c or even no c at all, many people will carry for free or just to get the endgame grind/enchants/loot.

If you don't like lab suggest things you'd like to see improved constructively that don't ruin it for people who do like it, instead of asking for the game to be more cuasualized and more stuff handed to you for zero effort. In the meanwhile get a carry or hold your nose and play through the parts you don't like. There's never going to be a perfect game that is 100% how you want it to be.

If you do like lab well you're probably not here arguing.

* footnote: HP lovecraft reference and Black Sabbath song reference, seeing how GGG like Heavy Metal and Lovecraftian tones in their game

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alhazred70 wrote:

Personally I think they should take the Decent race format and add in all the lab elements, mix in every Map tileset, and boss, and every zana mod/former league mod, to make a part of the game that is literally a massive Rogue-like within the game. Call it the "The Helix of The Great Old Ones"* or "The Architect's Spiral"* or some such. IMO such a thing could be the best most varied graphical rogue-like in the history of the genre.

I need this SO bad! GGG please make it happen!!!

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alhazred70 wrote:

Personally I think they should take the Decent race format and add in all the lab elements, mix in every Map tileset, and boss, and every zana mod/former league mod, to make a part of the game that is literally a massive Rogue-like within the game. Call it the "The Helix of The Great Old Ones"* or "The Architect's Spiral"* or some such. IMO such a thing could be the best most varied graphical rogue-like in the history of the genre.

Wow, that would be awesome! :-) So much awesomeness that my glee would spill out all over the forums. And that would be embarrassing.

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alhazred70 wrote:

I don't need popularty assertions, only people who have no confidence in their argument need "my side is bigger than your side"

Completely true.

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alhazred70 wrote:

If you don't like lab suggest things you'd like to see improved constructively that don't ruin it for people who do like it, instead of asking for the game to be more cuasualized and more stuff handed to you for zero effort.

Indeed. I don't mind the lab being tweaked, but I'd still like to keep the lab and have a darn good reason for running, as it is right now. The complainers and GGG can push to tweak trap damage, make it less one-try and more three or whatever-try, etc., so long as the lab is still something I can look forward to running at some point in Act IV when I'm just a little over-leveled to enjoy a casual stroll through it in each difficulty.

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Shogen wrote:

I have 20 toons and what I absolutely hate about labs is you need to unlock 6 trials in normal, cruel, merciless and then map to activate all!

so 24 trial runs + 4 full lab runs to unlock all ascendancy each time you are in a new league sucks.

Secondly, the lab enchants are too randomised and don't feel rewarding with time vs level of effort.

Thirdly, the puzzles are fun initially then it gets old and you can barely stand it anymore because they are just time sinks when you have mastered it. You just want to get through the exits asap. Golden key doors are a prime example of time sink.

Shogen's post made here https://www.pathofexile.com/forum/post-reply/1609216

I'm concerned about potentially derailing that thread and so I'm posting this here.

Shogen thank you for posting your opinion on Labyrinth. I've added you to the list of account names now 698 names.

Here's Shogen's profile.
Joined:
Jul 10, 2012

Last Visited:
Jan 7, 2017

Total Forum Posts:
1184 (0.72 posts per day)

Please note that it would be paranoid to think that Shogen is one of many hundreds of alt accounts being manipulated by a small handful of people disliking the labyrinth that are trying to deceive GGG into believing that there have been many hundreds of people on this forum that have posted that labyrinth would best be changed/improved/fixed when in reality it is really only a small handful of people that believe this and are running an army of alt accounts. There are multiple people that have argued this seemingly crazy conspiracy theory was possible.

A note about my use of the word "paranoid" in the above paragraph, a person that apparently finds it difficult to be objective or is just plainly paranoid himself stated that it is bad for me to use that word because it is nothing but using insults to try to win an argument. This is not true. My own belief is that believing this crazy conspiracy theory is plainly paranoid.

Think how crazy it is. First this handful of people would have to have many hundreds of alt accounts that were created prior to to the release of labyrinth. This would be required because the list analysis shows that less than 4% of the accounts on the list were created after release of the labyrinth. Then they would have to then make many posts that have nothing to do with labyrinth that were made before labyrinth was even released, like a thousand posts in Shogen's example. To me this conspiracy theory is just crazy.

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Turtledove wrote:

Please note that it would be paranoid to think that Shogen is one of many hundreds of alt accounts being manipulated by a small handful of people disliking the labyrinth that are trying to deceive GGG into believing that there have been many hundreds of people on this forum that have posted that labyrinth would best be changed/improved/fixed when in reality it is really only a small handful of people that believe this and are running an army of alt accounts. There are multiple people that have argued this seemingly crazy conspiracy theory was possible.

A note about my use of the word "paranoid" in the above paragraph, a person that apparently finds it difficult to be objective or is just plainly paranoid himself stated that it is bad for me to use that word because it is nothing but using insults to try to win an argument. This is not true. My own belief is that believing this crazy conspiracy theory is plainly paranoid.

Think how crazy it is. First this handful of people would have to have many hundreds of alt accounts that were created prior to to the release of labyrinth. This would be required because the list analysis shows that less than 4% of the accounts on the list were created after release of the labyrinth. Then they would have to then make many posts that have nothing to do with labyrinth that were made before labyrinth was even released, like a thousand posts in Shogen's example. To me this conspiracy theory is just crazy.

Holy fuck you're still on about that? Further demonstrating that after everything, you still don't understand the underlying issue that was raised.

Talk about crazy, you keep bringing up this "conspiracy theory" thing and you've got the gall to call others paranoid and crazy. Yeesh...

And for the record, conspiracy theories involve more than one person to perpetuate. The issues brought forth only involve one person, you. It's just one more derogatory term for you to throw around though.

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Shovelcut wrote:

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Turtledove wrote:

Please note that it would be paranoid to think that Shogen is one of many hundreds of alt accounts being manipulated by a small handful of people disliking the labyrinth that are trying to deceive GGG into believing that there have been many hundreds of people on this forum that have posted that labyrinth would best be changed/improved/fixed when in reality it is really only a small handful of people that believe this and are running an army of alt accounts. There are multiple people that have argued this seemingly crazy conspiracy theory was possible.

A note about my use of the word "paranoid" in the above paragraph, a person that apparently finds it difficult to be objective or is just plainly paranoid himself stated that it is bad for me to use that word because it is nothing but using insults to try to win an argument. This is not true. My own belief is that believing this crazy conspiracy theory is plainly paranoid.

Think how crazy it is. First this handful of people would have to have many hundreds of alt accounts that were created prior to to the release of labyrinth. This would be required because the list analysis shows that less than 4% of the accounts on the list were created after release of the labyrinth. Then they would have to then make many posts that have nothing to do with labyrinth that were made before labyrinth was even released, like a thousand posts in Shogen's example. To me this conspiracy theory is just crazy.

Holy fuck you're still on about that? Further demonstrating that after everything, you still don't understand the underlying issue that was raised.

Talk about crazy, you keep bringing up this "conspiracy theory" thing and you've got the gall to call others paranoid and crazy. Yeesh...

And for the record, conspiracy theories involve more than one person to perpetuate. The issues brought forth only involve one person, you. It's just one more derogatory term for you to throw around though.

Except it's a direct attack on the relevance of your accusation, one of many which you have failed to respond to in, what? 20 pages of bullshit?

I have been raging about lab in plenty of threads, too.

But let´s face it : they put resources into it, it´s in the game now, and no way they´re going to remove it or do a major overhaul.

Maybe, just maybe we will see some mercy or slight changes (GGG are very good with surprises, the lab itself was a huge one, obviously).

While I am sceptical that we will see any sweeping changes, I also learned to not underestimate their creativity and the stuff they have up their sleeves.

Also, with time I overcame the biggest frustrations and simply got used to/better at it. On a strong character, I don´t even mind giving someone a helping hand now, whereas initially I always replied "no, sorry, I hate the lab and avoid it like the plague"

Perhaps let the discussion rest for now and see what GGG has in store until 3.0 is announced.

Best wishes to everyone :)

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gibbousmoon wrote:

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Shovelcut wrote:

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Turtledove wrote:

Please note that it would be paranoid to think that Shogen is one of many hundreds of alt accounts being manipulated by a small handful of people disliking the labyrinth that are trying to deceive GGG into believing that there have been many hundreds of people on this forum that have posted that labyrinth would best be changed/improved/fixed when in reality it is really only a small handful of people that believe this and are running an army of alt accounts. There are multiple people that have argued this seemingly crazy conspiracy theory was possible.

A note about my use of the word "paranoid" in the above paragraph, a person that apparently finds it difficult to be objective or is just plainly paranoid himself stated that it is bad for me to use that word because it is nothing but using insults to try to win an argument. This is not true. My own belief is that believing this crazy conspiracy theory is plainly paranoid.

Think how crazy it is. First this handful of people would have to have many hundreds of alt accounts that were created prior to to the release of labyrinth. This would be required because the list analysis shows that less than 4% of the accounts on the list were created after release of the labyrinth. Then they would have to then make many posts that have nothing to do with labyrinth that were made before labyrinth was even released, like a thousand posts in Shogen's example. To me this conspiracy theory is just crazy.

Holy fuck you're still on about that? Further demonstrating that after everything, you still don't understand the underlying issue that was raised.

Talk about crazy, you keep bringing up this "conspiracy theory" thing and you've got the gall to call others paranoid and crazy. Yeesh...

And for the record, conspiracy theories involve more than one person to perpetuate. The issues brought forth only involve one person, you. It's just one more derogatory term for you to throw around though.

Except it's a direct attack on the relevance of your accusation, one of many which you have failed to respond to in, what? 20 pages of bullshit?

Well, it appears that he has refined his conspiracy down to arguing that it is only me that is perpetuating the deception.

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And for the record, conspiracy theories involve more than one person to perpetuate. The issues brought forth only involve one person, you.

My perspective is that it makes the conspiracy theory even more ridiculous that one person could have some 600 alt accounts squirreled away prior to labyrinth release and that I made all those posts in my alt accounts prior to the labyrinth release in the omnipotent knowledge that someday GGG would release something so horrible as the labyrinth and I'd want to spring my devious plan on the world.

On the other hand more convincing is the evil theory that I'm really Vladimir Putin and I'm using the KGB to run this brilliant plan to cause GGG to spend resources fixing PoE when it doesn't need to be fixed. This will then cause a major impact to New Zealand's GDP causing a domino effect that will topple the financial well being of all of western civilization!!!