Over 430 threads discussing labyrinth problems with over 1040 posters in support DONE!!!!!

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morbo wrote:

I'd bet there are just as many or more people who don't like the XP nerfs, the silly trading system and RNG endgame progression.

What those groups lack, is a handful of jihadi-crusading posters, who would bump threads every day and make "lists".

Spoiler

Alahoo-Ackbar!!!
Deus vult!!

:P

Holy shit you went there dude.

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Shovelcut wrote:

{spoiler="Unedited quote to show I'm not the one completely full of shit"}

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Turtledove wrote:

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lagwin1980 wrote:

"680" posters...have you went and verified it's 680 individual people and not the same handful regurgitating the same QQ in other threads.

Even then, minority vs majority, even assuming that only part of the minority have said anything you are still going to be under 10% of players (being generous with the guess)

Yes I have, in the OP it says,

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I started looking at some other data. An "o" after the name means the account is older than March 2016. A "$" after the name means that a supporter title is in the profile. An "*" after the name means that neither of those is the case. This was done in response to paranoid people that said I or someone else was creating alt accounts just to up the numbers on the list. This irrational argument has been soundly laid to rest because there are fewer than 4% of the accounts with an *.

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Listen Shovelcut, we've been over this and you are not paying attention. It's gotten to the point that my respect for you has been diminished to the point that there's only enough respect left for this last troll of yours.

"Yes I have" refers to proving that it is not a handful regurgitating the same QQQ. I don't have to prove that it is 680 individual people in order to prove that DUH! I then copied the quote out of the OP to let lagwin know what the analysis was on each individual account in the list.

You misunderstood, if you still don't understand then too bad, I no longer care about you or what nonsense you believe.

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Turtledove wrote:

"Yes I have" refers to proving that it is not a handful regurgitating the same QQQ. I don't have to prove that it is 680 individual people in order to prove that DUH! I then copied the quote out of the OP to let lagwin know what the analysis was on each individual account in the list?

And what you don't understand is that you haven't and can't prove that. Nobody but GGG can. Saying you can and have proved it is the dishonest thing we've been arguing about. Account age doesn't prove it. Supporter packs don't prove it. Your analysis is not even close to proof of anything given that numerous people have multiple accounts made for legitimate reasons. The older the player, the more likely he is to have an older alternate account. I know lots of people playing since 2013 who have multiple accounts. Which part of "account age and supporter packs don't prove anything" is confusing to you?

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mark1030 wrote:

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Turtledove wrote:

"Yes I have" refers to proving that it is not a handful regurgitating the same QQQ. I don't have to prove that it is 680 individual people in order to prove that DUH! I then copied the quote out of the OP to let lagwin know what the analysis was on each individual account in the list?

And what you don't understand is that you haven't and can't prove that. Nobody but GGG can. Saying you can and have proved it is the dishonest thing we've been arguing about. Account age doesn't prove it. Supporter packs don't prove it. Your analysis is not even close to proof of anything given that numerous people have multiple accounts made for legitimate reasons. The older the player, the more likely he is to have an older alternate account. I know lots of people playing since 2013 who have multiple accounts. Which part of "account age and supporter packs don't prove anything" is confusing to you?

If you want to believe that there's a handful of people with over 600 some odd alt accounts that were all created prior to March 2016 and they/he/she/I then went and pretended with many more hundreds of posts to be different people then go ahead, (edit: forgot to mention then went and made donations on a good percentage of the accounts to get supporter titles) I can't stop you. Like I said there are people that believe we didn't really land on the moon and that the Sandy Hook school massacre never happened and that 9/11 was a government conspiracy. You can believe whatever you'd like. If that is confusing you then too bad.

There you go again switching the argument. It's not about what I believe. It's about what you believe and then calling your belief a fact. Where did I say what you claim I think? You are changing the argument from "I proved" to "you think". You did not prove. there is scientific proof of a moon landing. There is scientific proof of 9/11 and all the other stuff you are trying to equate your situation with. Moon rocks and human remains are proof. But there is no proof of any number of alt accounts in your list. It could be 1 or it could be all 680. I'm not saying one extreme is more likely than the otiher extreme. I'm just saying there is no proof one way or the other.

Edit: if I give you a list of 100 accounts, can you tell me which are alts and which are not?

Maybe it really is just a hand full of hardcore botters with plenty of alt accounts that are pissed severely at the pattern recognition CAPTCHA that is a trap gauntlet?

Who knows? At least I can confess I'm just speculating.

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Kellog wrote:

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traax87 wrote:

Lab haters are the vocal minority. Pls, do not give them to much attention. They are not able to do the most simple tasks to get the powerfull ac points.

As I've pointed out elsewhere, this is a common fallacy, arrived at by those who really have no idea of why the labyrinth is disliked by many PoE players.

For the most part, all we want is an alternative way to achieve Ascendancy points. For those who enjoy their time navigating traps, all I can say is have fun. Personally, if I wanted to play this type of game, I'd dust off my console and play Prince Of Persia.

Oh, by the way, there's not a great deal of skill involved in running the labyrinth, even Uber. More or less any fool can create a Juggernaut with lots of life/regen and run straight through most traps.

What is there to fix? The lab is piss easy, whats going on here? Ok i've also gotten disconnected and lagged out etc, died many times, lab still pretty good and easy imo, very casual, just do it instead of post in the forums, srsly wth is going on. 200 threads? Lots of casualness i guess.

Maybe ggg can make a casual temporary-test league to see how it goes? with everything being easier, starting with the lab? no joke.

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mark1030 wrote:

There you go again switching the argument. It's not about what I believe. It's about what you believe and then calling your belief a fact. Where did I say what you claim I think? You are changing the argument from "I proved" to "you think". You did not prove. there is scientific proof of a moon landing. There is scientific proof of 9/11 and all the other stuff you are trying to equate your situation with. Moon rocks and human remains are proof. But there is no proof of any number of alt accounts in your list. It could be 1 or it could be all 680. I'm not saying one extreme is more likely than the otiher extreme. I'm just saying there is no proof one way or the other.

Edit: if I give you a list of 100 accounts, can you tell me which are alts and which are not?

I cannot tell the difference between accounts that are controlled by the same person. Your assertion that everyone in the list could really be the same person is even more stupid than arguing that 9/11 and Sandy Hook didn't happen. It is just the way of conspiracy theories. Someone that believes that kind of nonsense can say the exact same thing as you, "there's no scientific evidence that 9/11 happened and that Sandy Hook really happened. I assert again that it is proven that a small handful of people did not make up all the accounts in the list because any other explanation is ridiculous, therefore it is proven. If you don't like it then TOO BAD, it's a reasonable use of the English language and logically factual.

The thing about conspiracy theories is that they are generally logically valid when looked at strictly within the context of the conspiracy theory.

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Another common feature is that conspiracy theories evolve to incorporate whatever evidence exists against them, so that they become, as Barkun writes, a closed system that is unfalsifiable, and therefore "a matter of faith rather than proof"

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Conspiracy_theory So just strictly within the context of your pet conspiracy theory it may appear reasonable to you. So go ahead and peddle your silly conspiracy theory about there only being one or a handful of people that dislike labyrinth. I guess that we'll see how many you can convince.

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mark1030 wrote:

if I give you a list of 100 accounts, can you tell me which are alts and which are not?

If they post anything anti-laby related they clearly aren't alts for the purpose of this thread. :P

So you can't tell which accounts are alts but you have proof that there are only a few in your list. I guess we just don't agree on what the word "proof" actually means. I think it means "you have facts" and you think it means "the other choices are ridiculous to me because then I'd be wrong".