Over 430 threads discussing labyrinth problems with over 1040 posters in support DONE!!!!!

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gibbousmoon wrote:

Turtle, I am telling you this for your own good: You are too easily baited.

If individuals post trash comments, and especially if they do it systematically over a long period of time, the best response is not to respond.

So when the next wave of nonsensical posts lands, know this: You have no face to lose to those two. Don't respond to it. You can acknowledge that it is bullshit in subsequent posts communicating with actual on-topic posters, but don't respond directly to those individuals.

Doing this will allow the thread to get back on topic.

My problem here is that I previously had respect for those two fellows and it has been a bit difficult for me to see that respect for Shovelcut getting shattered.

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gibbousmoon wrote:

Turtle, I am telling you this for your own good: You are too easily baited.

If individuals post trash comments, and especially if they do it systematically over a long period of time, the best response is not to respond.

So when the next wave of nonsensical posts lands, know this: You have no face to lose to those two. Don't respond to it. You can acknowledge that it is bullshit in subsequent posts communicating with actual on-topic posters, but don't respond directly to those individuals.

It's hilarious that you're going to call out my comments as trash when everything you've posted over the last 13 or so pages doesn't even relate to what we were discussing. The only reason this has gone on so long is because every reply we've gotten is just a run-around response that doesn't even pertain to the discussion at hand. Priceless and extremely judgemental...

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Turtledove wrote:

Please stop your silly nonsense. I never claimed the things you keep accusing me of.

It's all there in quotes for everyone to see. I'm not the one fabricating data.

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Turtledove wrote:

You and Mark1030 then falsely claimed/misunderstood it as a ridiculous statement that I had verified every single account was a separate person. That is beyond ridiculous. I never said that. Please stop telling that stupid lie.

Yeah...

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Turtledove wrote:

My problem here is that I previously had respect for those two fellows and it has been a bit difficult for me to see that respect for Shovelcut getting shattered.

If calling you out on a questionable practice is going to cause you to lose your respect for me, so be it. In the end you're still not even addressing the issue we're bringing up and repeatedly resorting to

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proof that the list of almost 700 account names could not reasonably represent a handful of people.

over and over again like it's some sort of obsession.

Mark, you fucking nailed it so hard.

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mark1030 wrote:

You're acting like a politician and fabricating arguments where there are none because that's the rebuttle you already have written on your response cards.

I'll stop, not because you told me to, but because it would be insane to try and have any sort of serious discussion here. If I've learned anything in the past 13 or so pages, it's that there is no fucking hope of that happening. Ever.

I swear it's like talking to the "and then" lady. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GKNX6dieVcc xD

Having made one of the threads on this list... I think It's sad to see nothing really being addressed on this. I don't even think I've heard GGG speak on this matter at all.

It's sad because with a few tweaks to the lab, it could be a far more enjoyable experience for all. But GGG are unwilling or unable to do anything about it. With how their schedule is for releasing new content... I can't really see them working on the lab at all. They just keep pumping out new and new content but it always feels half finished.

It almost makes me wish Diablo 3 was far more successful. Would be curious to see how GGG would do things differently if they had competition as an ARPG. Would they just keep on releaseing stuff the way they have... or fine tune each part.

There are parts of the game I do enjoy... but it's filled with concepts and ideas that just make you scratch your head at times. While the Lab is one of them for me... there are other things as well. I can appreciate the work to maintain this thread and compile all this info. Even if at the end of the day... I think the Lab ship has sailed. It probably is what it is at this point.

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Turtledove wrote:

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gibbousmoon wrote:

Turtle, I am telling you this for your own good: You are too easily baited.

If individuals post trash comments, and especially if they do it systematically over a long period of time, the best response is not to respond.

So when the next wave of nonsensical posts lands, know this: You have no face to lose to those two. Don't respond to it. You can acknowledge that it is bullshit in subsequent posts communicating with actual on-topic posters, but don't respond directly to those individuals.

Doing this will allow the thread to get back on topic.

My problem here is that I previously had respect for those two fellows and it has been a bit difficult for me to see that respect for Shovelcut getting shattered.

Well, keep in mind that the Labyrinth issue does bring out the worst in people. We see it again and again in this forum.

You might say it is one of the Labyrinth's "meta-problems." :P

I imagine Shovelcut is a decent guy in real life, the posts in this thread notwithstanding. But the Labyrinth inspires hatred and hateful posting, and thus debates about the Labyrinth inspire hatred and hateful posting.

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gibbousmoon wrote:

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Turtledove wrote:

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gibbousmoon wrote:

Turtle, I am telling you this for your own good: You are too easily baited.

If individuals post trash comments, and especially if they do it systematically over a long period of time, the best response is not to respond.

So when the next wave of nonsensical posts lands, know this: You have no face to lose to those two. Don't respond to it. You can acknowledge that it is bullshit in subsequent posts communicating with actual on-topic posters, but don't respond directly to those individuals.

Doing this will allow the thread to get back on topic.

My problem here is that I previously had respect for those two fellows and it has been a bit difficult for me to see that respect for Shovelcut getting shattered.

Well, keep in mind that the Labyrinth issue does bring out the worst in people. We see it again and again in this forum.

You might say it is one of the Labyrinth's "meta-problems." :P

I imagine Shovelcut is a decent guy in real life, the posts in this thread notwithstanding. But the Labyrinth inspires hatred and hateful posting, and thus debates about the Labyrinth inspire hatred and hateful posting.

Turtle isn't being honest and forcing issues that are only issues to him, on all of us and you better not even think of agreeing with even a motion he makes or you will be on... "the list" whether you like it or not.

There is no list for people who don't want the lab changed. It's just a one sided demand, grounded or not doesn't even matter.

That's why there's so much hate in this thread, and why it lacks any official reply or attention. Unlike us, GGG can't engage in "discussions" like these for obvious reasons. Handling this the way Turtle has done has been digging this thread's own grave.

If you want to come across as a pillar of the community, then include all of us, and prove that you're aware of acknowledge that not everyone agrees with your statements, but represent those that do, instead of dividing and downtalking those who disagree.

Talk of respect... not even going there.

I'd bet there are just as many or more people who don't like the XP nerfs, the silly trading system and RNG endgame progression.

What those groups lack, is a handful of jihadi-crusading posters, who would bump threads every day and make "lists".

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morbo wrote:

I'd bet there are just as many or more people who don't like the XP nerfs, the silly trading system and RNG endgame progression.

What those groups lack, is a handful of jihadi-crusading posters, who would bump threads every day and make "lists".

Spoiler

Alahoo-Ackbar!!!
Deus vult!!

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Holy shit you went there dude.

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Shovelcut wrote:

{spoiler="Unedited quote to show I'm not the one completely full of shit"}

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Turtledove wrote:

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lagwin1980 wrote:

"680" posters...have you went and verified it's 680 individual people and not the same handful regurgitating the same QQ in other threads.

Even then, minority vs majority, even assuming that only part of the minority have said anything you are still going to be under 10% of players (being generous with the guess)

Yes I have, in the OP it says,

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I started looking at some other data. An "o" after the name means the account is older than March 2016. A "$" after the name means that a supporter title is in the profile. An "*" after the name means that neither of those is the case. This was done in response to paranoid people that said I or someone else was creating alt accounts just to up the numbers on the list. This irrational argument has been soundly laid to rest because there are fewer than 4% of the accounts with an *.

{/spoiler}

Listen Shovelcut, we've been over this and you are not paying attention. It's gotten to the point that my respect for you has been diminished to the point that there's only enough respect left for this last troll of yours.

"Yes I have" refers to proving that it is not a handful regurgitating the same QQQ. I don't have to prove that it is 680 individual people in order to prove that DUH! I then copied the quote out of the OP to let lagwin know what the analysis was on each individual account in the list.

You misunderstood, if you still don't understand then too bad, I no longer care about you or what nonsense you believe.

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Turtledove wrote:

"Yes I have" refers to proving that it is not a handful regurgitating the same QQQ. I don't have to prove that it is 680 individual people in order to prove that DUH! I then copied the quote out of the OP to let lagwin know what the analysis was on each individual account in the list?

And what you don't understand is that you haven't and can't prove that. Nobody but GGG can. Saying you can and have proved it is the dishonest thing we've been arguing about. Account age doesn't prove it. Supporter packs don't prove it. Your analysis is not even close to proof of anything given that numerous people have multiple accounts made for legitimate reasons. The older the player, the more likely he is to have an older alternate account. I know lots of people playing since 2013 who have multiple accounts. Which part of "account age and supporter packs don't prove anything" is confusing to you?

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mark1030 wrote:

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Turtledove wrote:

"Yes I have" refers to proving that it is not a handful regurgitating the same QQQ. I don't have to prove that it is 680 individual people in order to prove that DUH! I then copied the quote out of the OP to let lagwin know what the analysis was on each individual account in the list?

And what you don't understand is that you haven't and can't prove that. Nobody but GGG can. Saying you can and have proved it is the dishonest thing we've been arguing about. Account age doesn't prove it. Supporter packs don't prove it. Your analysis is not even close to proof of anything given that numerous people have multiple accounts made for legitimate reasons. The older the player, the more likely he is to have an older alternate account. I know lots of people playing since 2013 who have multiple accounts. Which part of "account age and supporter packs don't prove anything" is confusing to you?

If you want to believe that there's a handful of people with over 600 some odd alt accounts that were all created prior to March 2016 and they/he/she/I then went and pretended with many more hundreds of posts to be different people then go ahead, (edit: forgot to mention then went and made donations on a good percentage of the accounts to get supporter titles) I can't stop you. Like I said there are people that believe we didn't really land on the moon and that the Sandy Hook school massacre never happened and that 9/11 was a government conspiracy. You can believe whatever you'd like. If that is confusing you then too bad.